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Topic: bulldog doesn’t believe in relays

Posted By: xxunknownxx
Subject: bulldog doesn’t believe in relays
Date Posted: September 16, 2010 at 10:44 PM

I was reading one of their installation manuals and I read this. No wonder everyone has so much bad luck with those DIY Kits.



If your vehicle has two (2) accessory wires (some GMs and most
Fords), connect the WHITE WITH BLACK STRIPE wire to both accessory
wires.

NOTE: Most
Nissans will have two (2) starter/crank wires. Both must be connected
to the YELLOW WITH BLACK STRIPE wire. NOTE: Some vehicles use two
starter/crank wires (mostly Nissans and Audis). In this case,
connect both wires from the ignition switch harness to the YELLOW
WITH BLACK STRIPE wires from the main module.





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Posted By: oldspark
Date Posted: September 16, 2010 at 11:00 PM
Good pick!

Nothing like connecting together 2 separated circuits.

And we know that adding loads to existing circuits NEVER has any electrical issues.
Or warranty issues.
(And mine predate air bags etc!)




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: September 17, 2010 at 1:12 PM
Bulldogs wiring guides are somewhat tailored for their remote start units and the DIY install user.  Bulldogs remote start units don't have extra outputs to control relays ( i.e.  (-) 200mA Starter 2 ) and the Iignition2 output is not selectable.  Just something to keep in mind when looking at their guides.  They do sell the 30/40 Amp SPDT relays, though.

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Soldering is fun!




Posted By: xxunknownxx
Date Posted: September 17, 2010 at 8:03 PM
Ahh that makes me want to crack open one of their units but I threw away a brand new Rs82-I about a few months ago when I fell in love with DEI.




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 19, 2010 at 7:42 AM
Since when do Audis (or any VAG) car including Euro Skodas, Seats and Porsches) have 2 starter wires?
Come to think of it I've got about 12 T shirts from DEI for modifying Directwire info on European cars!
Rule of thumb on a new (to me) vehicle: find EVERY guide you can, use them as a crib sheet and THEN test.
The Bulldog info for instance is completely wrong with ref to Euro BMWs.
They list 12volts at the brake switch for all E46 on, not true it's a variable load switch, you have a BLACK/ blue, BLACK/ green and I believe BLACK / YELLOW for left, centre and right bulbs in both the floor looms, also Directwire ALWAYS got the E46,M3 and X4 lock and unlocks the wrong way round.


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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: September 19, 2010 at 11:22 AM
x2 on that "Rule of Thumb", Howie.   Gather all the info you can, compare it, consolidate it, digest it, and then find and verify all necessary wires with a DMM.  Be ready for anything. 

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Soldering is fun!




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 19, 2010 at 11:29 AM
The other four rules of thumb are so corny but oh so true:-
1) Proper preparation prevents wiz poor performance.
2) Keep it simple.
3) The devil is in the detail.
4) RTFM!
Any of the above quotes could answer most of the questions on this site.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 19, 2010 at 11:31 AM
And no I didn't say wiz!

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: oldspark
Date Posted: September 19, 2010 at 11:52 AM
Hmmm - #2 sounds interesting....

Does #3 make me the anti-Christ?
(Or my writing the anti-Bible?)




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: September 19, 2010 at 11:58 AM
Don't start me up, bloody Pope blocking central London, having to avoid my lot on the day of atonement whilst working on a BMW cab roof failure.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: xxunknownxx
Date Posted: September 19, 2010 at 3:09 PM
howie ll wrote:

Since when do Audis (or any VAG) car including Euro Skodas, Seats and Porsches) have 2 starter wires? Come to think of it I've got about 12 T shirts from DEI for modifying Directwire info on European cars!
Rule of thumb on a new (to me) vehicle: find EVERY guide you can, use them as a crib sheet and THEN test.
The Bulldog info for instance is completely wrong with ref to Euro BMWs.
They list 12volts at the brake switch for all E46 on, not true it's a variable load switch, you have a BLACK/ blue, BLACK/ green and I believe BLACK / YELLOW for left, centre and right bulbs in both the floor looms, also Directwire ALWAYS got the E46,M3 and X4 lock and unlocks the wrong way round.

Hey wait I just thought about that. Silly Bulldog. The only cars that have two starter wires that I know of (might be more) are Nissans and the newer Toyotas.




Posted By: oldspark
Date Posted: September 19, 2010 at 9:03 PM
Isuzus too - they used it as an electric fuel pump prime.
(Instead of diode from alternator and starter feeding an SPST relay, they used an SPDT relay - #30 to the pump; #87 to +12V & #87a to the 2nd starter. #85 was GND with #86 to the alternator's charge lamp circuit (D+, L etc).)

Another case where added mechanical complexity was preferred over diodes. (Hmmm - that sounds familiar even today...)





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