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Topic: amatures

Posted By: sir_misery
Subject: amatures
Date Posted: April 21, 2006 at 3:06 AM

some of the installs i have had to fix after the cust let amatures try installing

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dodge ram w/ small fire   had to replace lots of fuses

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smokin hot grand am  w/ amature amp install

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it jumped right out

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4ga wire ran to close to the manifold it ended up welding itself there

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after i fixid it

now lets see some of the amature installs youve fixed



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yeh? i can do that?

see! told ya!



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Posted By: duoproductionx
Date Posted: April 24, 2006 at 11:07 PM
ouch! wtf happened??

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97 Monte Carlo
CDA-9885, PZI Crunch 5 channel,12in MB Quart Premium.




Posted By: boug0752
Date Posted: April 26, 2006 at 9:49 PM
Wow, I hope to never see my GA in that kinda shape. That is just aweful. I've seen a lot of amauter installs that just didn't look safe but thats just plain idiotic!!!

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Posted By: chucknorris916
Date Posted: May 01, 2006 at 11:09 AM
did they forget to fuse the power line ha..




Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: May 01, 2006 at 11:16 AM

chucknorris916 wrote:

did they forget to fuse the power line ha..

I think they forgot how to drive to their local stereo shop !! Damn Shanequoi !! That's some nasty damage !



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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: pmendoza408
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 1:15 AM
holly smokes it went up in smoke. Dang they tried to save a little money and ended up putting there life in danger.




Posted By: mad550
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 1:26 AM

Ah yes the old crimson wire syndrome......WHOOPS!!!

All the just to save a little money ended up costing alot



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Posted By: coppellstereo
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 2:39 PM
lack of fusing??

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Posted By: ajrod27
Date Posted: May 04, 2006 at 11:59 PM

I hope my car dosen't turn out like that.  I installed my amp, capacitor, sub, and processor by myself without really knowing what i was doing.  Everything is going good so far but its only been about a month.  Power line is fused about 8 inches from the battery terminal.  Any amature mistakes i should check for before anything goes wrong? Thanks.

Arturo





Posted By: Fastlearner
Date Posted: May 05, 2006 at 12:39 AM
You can probably take it to a local shop and see if they can do a once over on it just to check it out.




Posted By: chucksnee
Date Posted: May 05, 2006 at 1:04 AM
Just a little COMMON SENCE goes along way when installing car steroe equipment. Just because your not a pro does not mean you cannot do it. I have installed several systems and have never burned up the first piece of wire. I have screwed up a fuse or 2 but that is about it. And those were completely my fault, had noting to do with the install.




Posted By: ajrod27
Date Posted: May 05, 2006 at 1:11 AM

Yeah, its basically common sence.  There is nothing difficlult about installing a basic audio system.  The little things like putting a gromet where the power wire goes through the firewall, remembering to use fuses, watching out where you drill, and put screws are the smallest details that can ruin an install or your entire electrical system.

Arturo





Posted By: chucksnee
Date Posted: May 05, 2006 at 2:47 AM
Just let me say that i would in NO WAY install anything more than an AMP a few subs a new head unit and fronts.

ANYTHING beyond that, multiple amps, subs, batteries and so on should be done by someone who knows what they are doing, if you are an up and coming installer then that is how you learn.







Posted By: jdog0411
Date Posted: May 05, 2006 at 9:20 AM

"Amateur"

"Common Sense"

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Alpine CDA-9885
JL 300/4 and 250/1
JL XR 5.25 comps
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Posted By: forklift
Date Posted: May 07, 2006 at 9:32 PM

I never have a dam camera on me when I get to fix stuff

I fixed a 98ish Ford with a din and 1/2 Pioneer in it with the sub dash all cut out so the new kit wouldnt snap in and with electrical and surgical tape wrapped around the wires



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Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: May 08, 2006 at 12:20 PM

And I have a dash panel apart from a Hilux right now. Customer started to cut it to front mount his radio instead of ISO mounting it properly. One part heat, one part normal staples, get staples red hot and sink them into cut plastic and voila, something for bondo to stick to. Secure the backside of the staples, repaint the dash and all done.



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Posted By: pmendoza408
Date Posted: May 09, 2006 at 12:38 AM
this is a big thing the closest thing that i have had is a deck being taped with duck tape and using a coat hanger as an antenna once. Not very good reception




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: May 11, 2006 at 1:57 AM

Well, it is one thing for a person to start and attempt to do something on their own, stop and come in for help. Nothing wrong with that at all. However, the beauty job that came in today, by a professional, oooh.....scary.

Let's just drill the door jamb on the new vehicle as we are too lazy too pull out the molex and run the wire through it. Then lets use the black wire as the power wire and hook it to the positive terminal on the battery. Let's also make the sub box all wrong and not listen to what the customer wants. All the filings from drilling the doors were not cleaned up, now we have rust everywhere. Oh, look , the big box installer said that the Eclipse head unit being an 8 volt needs to run direct to the battery......amateur is too good of a word here. Jeff might post up some pics.



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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: May 11, 2006 at 2:13 AM

Here are the scary pics of the " profesional " installation

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: May 11, 2006 at 11:52 AM
Thats embarasing

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double-secret reverse-osmosis speaker-cone-induced high-level interference distortion, Its a killer




Posted By: pmendoza408
Date Posted: May 11, 2006 at 1:32 PM
thats just lazy and someone was just trying to make some quick money




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: May 31, 2006 at 9:06 PM

Well, after this customer compared his vehicle (that someone else did) to his brothers vehicle (that we did), he went to all 4 shops in Victoria, BC. Two large big box stores and two indipendents. All stores told him the same thing. They always drill the door jamb because of liability issues regarding warranty on the molex. If the windows stop working or the door locks stop working, then there is no more warranty. Then they told him that because the hard plastic in the molex has been drilled out that the wire will be cut by it. So, I call a big smelly pile of lazy BS to this. If the wire right now is free and coming through a hard plastic grommet as shown in the pic, how on earth can it shaff on a secured molex with a smaller smooth bored hole? The only way for a lock or window to fail is if they had nicked a wire when they were drilling the molex, that is installer error and nothing else. So I am of the opinion here that the installers in all 4 of these stores are just plain lazy and unwilling to do the job properly for the paying customer. No wonder some shops get such a bad name. Unflipping beleivable the things that my friend was told. Needless to say, I am going to make a how to on the proper way to do a molex.



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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.




Posted By: mjmadskillz
Date Posted: June 24, 2006 at 1:32 PM
Wow




Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: June 24, 2006 at 2:41 PM
I didnt get any ics because I wanted to fix it right away. My buddy got his 4ga wire kit installed by best buy in his focus ZX5. The battery is on the drivers side of the engine bay. Instead of running the wire behind the fuse box right next to the battery and through thte firewall, The installer ran it up over the engine to the passengerside and through the firewall there. The problem was that he let it drape across the manifold and it melted the plastic and started welding the wire to the manifold. Hes lucky the damn thing didnt catch on fire.

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Posted By: gregory863
Date Posted: June 24, 2006 at 3:05 PM
i could care less what these melon-heads do to thier cars. what i hate is when a "do it yourselfer" comes with a real customer to give me all of his wisdom and tell his friend wether or not i'm ripping him off.  59 dollars for a 4ga amp kit??? yo man i can get that at wal-mart for 19.95!

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Posted By: duct tape
Date Posted: June 24, 2006 at 3:05 PM

i had a customer bring in an early 90s corrolla because she was seeing sparks in her dash.  i went out too look at her car and smoke was pouring out of it.  i ran into the shop, grabbed a 10mm socket and disconnected the battery.   looked behind the dash and its all a bunch of black burned up wires.

the previous owner of her car had a stereo installed in it, removed the stereo, then sold the car to her.   instead of using the factory harness, he ran speaker wire to the fuse box and tapped into the wrong side of the fuse.  ive seen crap like that before, but this was the first time i had a car on fire at my shop.  scary





Posted By: Melted Fabric
Date Posted: June 27, 2006 at 2:17 PM

I have ran into a similar case.  Friend got a used Civic.  I inspected the hollow space where the would be factory radio would go.  It was just a mass of wires with naked ends all touching each other.  I was going to work with it, but when I went to trace the wires to their door location.  Somewhere along the route of that speaker, guess the cable was too short, they had changed the color and type of wire.

I said screw it, and extracted all old cable and ran new cable everywhere.

I wish I would have upgraded the Big Three, but did not know about it at the time.



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When you do not know what you are doing and what you are doing is the best -- that is inspiration.




Posted By: medved
Date Posted: June 30, 2006 at 5:22 AM
oughcht... it's scary... brrr...

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Posted By: INSTALLER_MSS
Date Posted: August 15, 2006 at 4:04 PM
i've seen so many bad installs in my area of Dallas, TX.  we have these "flea markets" here that sell cheap car audio products like boss and legacy and tell the customer that they are good amps and speakers, etc.  then they get some guy in the parking lot to "install" the stuff.  i've pretty much seen it all with these guys.  they use cheap walmart home audio RCA cables (thekind with no shielding), run RCA and power cables on the same side of the car right next to each other, no solder or connectors or anything (classic twist and tape...and BTW, i don't condone connectors except ring terminals and spade terminals), undersized power/ground wire, improper ground, and about everything else wrong you can possibly do.  i saw a ground one guy made by putting a wood screw right through the side of a piece of wire without even stripping it...they just screwed through the insulation and through trunk carpet to the body.  what's worse is the customer didn't want to pay to have it fixed...if i couldnt do it free, it would just have to work.  I've seen people try to integrate into factory amps by hooking up the outouts of the HU to random wires in the harness until they got noise from the speakers.




Posted By: INSTALLER_MSS
Date Posted: August 15, 2006 at 4:29 PM
one time i had this 19 YO girl come in wanting to get her amp looked at because it didnt sound right.  when i looked, i almost broke out into laughter when i say the amp install.  it turned out she tried to do the amp install herself (and she was not a very bright  crayon i later learned) she had 16g wire run to the battery ground for ground, the batt power wire run to the remote turn-on outpout of the HU also in 16g, and had the remote of the amp hooked to the memory wire of the HU with 14g.




Posted By: zerepdivad
Date Posted: August 16, 2006 at 3:24 PM
Well i had one about 3 days ago where a customer had his "friend who knew what he was doing" install his subs and amp. Ok fair enough but he calls asking why they sound like garbage. I tell them bring it by and i'll look at it. So it gets there i don't know what to expect. of course i see a sub box thrown in the back of a truck seat wires everywhere not one of them tucked away, or even attempted at hiding amp not secured just flopping around. i listen to it ok it does sound like crap i go back and look at it and the subs are held in by about 3 screws each not even down all the way and i could stick my finger under the gap between them, and the box. So we told them to actually go screw the subs in and stop wasting my time. So we didn't even charge them since the kid who's truck it was wasn't at fault it was his pet monkey friend.




Posted By: jeremey1000
Date Posted: October 18, 2006 at 10:34 PM
Here's some of my latest sightings

RCA wires with the ends cut off ran from the HU to 2 15in house spekers facing forward in the trunk with no back on the box. Guy say's "got any ideas on how to make it sound better?"

A guy asked if I could look at his amp. He said the light would go from green to red every time he turned it on and had no idea why. I go outside and see what I counted to be 24 speakes of all kinds filling the rear dash, they were screwed to doors and dask all hooked up to a 80watt legacy two channel. Niceposted_image

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Posted By: wretchedunloved
Date Posted: December 21, 2006 at 5:07 PM

I saw a car while taking my break at work the other night that was rather scary.  He actually had a hole drilled just above the front right wheel-well,. with a power cable running out of it.  It ran along the wheel well, just under the door, then over the gas cap cover.  He had apparently filed a wedge in his trunk lid so he could just run the power cable straight down.  It was all held to the car via black electrical tape.

I hope he never goes over 20MPH... Or drives in rain... posted_image

I waited through my entire break, hoping I could see who did this, but no luck.  I have my mental image though, so it's alright.



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