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what happens when a relay's wired like this?

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Topic: what happens when a relay's wired like this?

Posted By: reax222
Subject: what happens when a relay's wired like this?
Date Posted: August 25, 2008 at 12:13 AM

I don't have a relay to blow up and I am curious after an instructor told me about it.

85 to ground
86 to 87a
30 to power.

I realize that it will switch constantly, but the instructor briefly mentioned this when he said that 12v will not create a spark. I believe the idea is that a very large charge will build up since the coil will be constantly energizing and deenergizing.

Will it glow, will it send sparks, will it explode?



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Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: August 25, 2008 at 8:02 AM

No, not like that, and no.

It won't glow, the coil is a current limiting load - and therefore will never pull more current then it is designed to.  The only way it would glow is if you ran more current through it then it could dissipate.

It won't spark at all because there isn't enough load for the current to jump across the contacts.  Put a 30A load across the contacts and switch it on and off that fast and it will creat some internal sparks.

I've never seen a relay explode - neither in cars nor in industrial applications. 



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: reax222
Date Posted: August 25, 2008 at 8:06 AM
It wasn't supposed to be an amperage issue, it was supposed to have something to do with cumulative voltage spikes.




Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: August 25, 2008 at 9:41 AM
The reverse voltage created by the collapse of the magnetic field can damage transistors and other solid state devices that are used to drive relays if a diode isn't placed across the coil, but I've never heard of it harming the relay in any way.  If I get a chance later today I'll hook one up and let it cycle for a few hours.

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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: August 28, 2008 at 5:08 PM
I thought it would chatter when wired as above.  It does not chatter, but it does whine a bit.  It produces about a 1K noise that seems as though it does not like it.   But as stated above, it will not damage the relay.  I left it like that for about 5 minutes, still making the noise and no heat at all.




Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: August 29, 2008 at 1:26 AM

Looks like you just created yourself a Buzzer. LOL

Want sparks hook it up to 120 vac cord and watch it smoke.



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John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !




Posted By: reax222
Date Posted: August 29, 2008 at 8:26 AM
Well that's a little disappointing.




Posted By: dualsport
Date Posted: August 29, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Put an AM radio next to your EMI generator and see what it sounds like-




Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: August 29, 2008 at 10:10 PM
It even interferes with FM stations.




Posted By: dualsport
Date Posted: August 29, 2008 at 10:44 PM
Pretty much puts out every frequency across the board- try different length wires connected and seeing what it does to your TV reception.




Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: August 29, 2008 at 11:11 PM
In the old days they used something simmular to boost up the voltage in a circuit. It was called a Vibrator. They ran it thru a transformer and boosted the voltage to about 300 volts for the filiments in a Vacuum tube. You know old school Tube Radios!posted_image

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John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !




Posted By: reax222
Date Posted: August 30, 2008 at 2:58 AM
Now that's a little better. I wonder if I could disrupt cell phones like this and how much range I could get out of it.





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