starter kill with window up/down?
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Topic: starter kill with window up/down?
Posted By: doggworld1233
Subject: starter kill with window up/down?
Date Posted: September 13, 2008 at 7:22 PM
I have a 95 civic and i want to put a starter kill with the window up/down. how would u do that with relays?
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Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: September 13, 2008 at 11:12 PM
You wouldn't. Do automate your windows you need an "anti pinch" device of some sort - typically aftermarket window modules use current sense. If you use only relays you will burn out the window motors. ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: September 14, 2008 at 12:25 AM
I think he is wanting to install starter kill on his vehicle, without using an alarm system. He is wanting to make it where the car will not start unless he is rolling the window up or down. We have done several of those using parking lights but never window switches. We can help you with this if this is what you are wanting to do.
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: September 14, 2008 at 7:38 AM
Haha, if that is the case it is impossible to push the up and down button at the same time!
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Kevin Pierson
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: September 14, 2008 at 8:01 AM
i am an idiot wrote:
up or down.
Posted By: doggworld1233
Date Posted: September 14, 2008 at 8:18 AM
yea that is what i want to do. not use the alarm and have a starter kill with the window up or down... i would really like to use my sunroon
Posted By: doggworld1233
Date Posted: September 14, 2008 at 8:21 AM
sunroof*
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: September 14, 2008 at 8:36 AM
Did I miss something funny? Maybe someone here can help us with the color and the polarity of the wire that closes the sunroof.
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: September 14, 2008 at 9:32 AM
i am an idiot wrote:
Did I miss something funny? Maybe someone here can help us with the color and the polarity of the wire that closes the sunroof.
doggwood1233 wrote:
I have a 95 civic and i want to put a starter kill with the window up/down. how would u do that with relays?
I found it funny that I totally misinterpretted what he said, but based on the way he wrote it it seems like he wants to push the up and down window button to get the car to start - somethign you can't do. I guess when asking for help it pays to clearly define what you are looking to do. ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: September 14, 2008 at 9:43 AM
I have a Chilton's manual at work. I will see if there is any info on the sunroof wiring on Monday. I figured at least you would be able to figure this one out. He could use up and down to achieve this. A relay and a cap on window up, to keep it latched briefly, and then window down while starting the car. It would take multiple relays but would be possible.
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: September 14, 2008 at 9:54 AM
That would be a lot of fun in the rain - and it's never a good idea to use high current motors while cranking a car. I always thought the point of "ghost switches" was to use a switch that wasn't obvious to passengers in the car? Seems like every time you start the car by using the power windows that people would catch on quickly. ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: September 14, 2008 at 10:14 AM
The sunroof switch on that vehicle is directly in front of the blinker lever. A simple touch of the close portion of the switch would go virtually unnoticed.
Posted By: doggworld1233
Date Posted: September 14, 2008 at 1:10 PM
this is what i want to do. i want to press and hold the close sunroof button to activated the relay to start the car.
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: September 14, 2008 at 1:26 PM
I will look in the service manual I have at work to see if the sunroof wire colors are listed. If you do not want to wait till Monday, do you have a volt meter and the ability to get to the wires on the back of the sunroof switch? You will also need to find the BLACK/ White wire coming from the Ignition switch harness.
Posted By: doggworld1233
Date Posted: September 14, 2008 at 7:48 PM
well i checked the wires at the switch. and one wire 12v resting and ground when closing. all other wires are just positive.
Posted By: doggworld1233
Date Posted: September 14, 2008 at 8:23 PM
would this work????? 86 and 30 to starter wire key side, 85 to the wire i found at the sunroof switch and 87 to starter side of starter wire? and a diode between 86 and 85??
Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: September 14, 2008 at 8:43 PM
That sounds exactly right. When installing the diode, the banded end needs to be connected to 86 as you listed it, or to the positive wire.
Posted By: doggworld1233
Date Posted: September 14, 2008 at 9:14 PM
thanks i am going to try it in the morning, will let you know with the results
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