auto window roll up with arming

hmm... thats a good idea, what about something like a reed switch, and a magnet on the window frame, then the magnet will switch the reed switch. Or maybe a opto inturupter type thing with an led and a phototransistor that detects via light path.. I kinda like the idea us using the current draw, but im not totally sure how to do that (might be able to measure flux change in a coil). You might even be able to use something like a small piece of metal in some plastic that would touch the bottom of the window frame when it was all the way up (and theresor give a ground signal). thats kinda cheap tho. Maybe you could put a small roller switch that would sit close to the window and be triggered by the frame again. I dont know im just thinking out loud, those are my ideas

How much fabrication would you be willing to do inside the door? Im thinking maybe you could have it check if the window is up, if not, it could wind it up for a specific time interval, or untill it turns off by the censor, that way if the censor fails it will still only crank the window a few seconds.

You've got the simple part done, not most if it done ;) I realize you want to create this yourself, but the easiest, cheapest, and least time consuming way to do get your windows to automatically roll up and stop properly is with a manufactured window module. I'll be the first use relays and other parts when and where I can, but by the time you get your homemade configuration capable of operating the same as a manufactured window module, you'll end up spending more money and time on it than you will with a manufactured module.

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hmmm...  i dunno if i wanna trash the stuff i've already done just to add the auto roll up feature though.  i'm really happy with how mine came out but i've been bored and tryna find other things to do to my car.  i'm guessing the manufactured modules have a current sensor built into them?  (being that there's no additional sensor you install in the door or anything). i would think there'd be a cheap way to construct something similar...

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oh yea doesn't the dei 530t use more than one channel? idk i forget exactly how they work. anyone have the install manual?  i can't find it on the dei site. the main reason i like my home made system is that i managed to do everything with a single channel...  i'm gonna upgrade to a 7 channel alarm later but there's a lot more i plan to do and don't wanna waste any channels for something that could be done with a single channel.

you guessed right, the window modules DO sense current draw and therefore shut off power to the window motors.  that's why we were suggesting using them. it shuts off power individually to each window that it controls.

that way, if one window is partially higher or lower than they other, they turn off independently.

with your setup, you would still be sending power to the window that is closed already, causing unnecessay wear on the motor or burn it out.

the link to your wiring diagram can be found here:

https://www.p71interceptor.com/windowmodule/installmanuals/dei530t.html

thanks for the install manual!

actually as far as my setup i was considering putting an individual sensor in each window to cut power independantly.  this would circumvent the problem of excessivly driving the window which has already closed.  ideally i should probably use the sensor to cut the power at the relays rather than at the motors (but that'd be a lot more wires to run... =P)  just tryna figure the easiest way to do this.

after reading the operation portion of the manual i've concluded i highly prefer my setup over using a module.  my windows are tapped into a single channel validity output from my alarm which alternates between down and up motion.   it's fun to play with.  the way the module operates seems somewhat limited and requires the use of an additional button. 

how difficult would it be to construct a current sensitive circuit?  are there any prefabricated such units?  if not the the solution i'm leaning towards is an individual position sensor in each window and a timed output after arming just to be safe.

thanks for all your help and input!

a long time ago, i used to have a single button remote that just disarmed the alarm.  it had an output as long as you held the button down. (really, really old alarm).  the setup i had used a racheting relay which was mechanical and had a arm that 'switched' 2 relays that controlled the direction of the windows.  i don't know where you could find such an item anymore.  it was kind of bulky but neat to play with.

you could use an alarm contact and magnet setup that is used in home alarms to detect if your window(s) is up or down.  the contacts can be normally open or normally closed circuits, whatever you want.  you can buy those at radio shack.

i don't know about a current sensing circuit, but i was thinking of a quick resetting circuit breaker.  you will have to experiment with the amperage or current draw of your actual window motors.

if your window motors have a 'clutch' mechanism built-in, then you could use a timer instead of circuit breakers.

glad i could help!  (sorry about not getting back sooner, been busy with work!)

yea those're bacially the options i was looking at (the magnet setup an stuff).  my window motors actually do have a clutch mechanics so it's not THAT bad having them run for a couple seconds when the windows already closed.  i'd jsut prefer that they not to prevent excessive wear on the motors an stuff.  i guess i'll probably either tryout the timer thing or possibly check how much the magnet switches run.  i figure if i put them in the doors along with a relay to cut power at the motor it shouldn't be that hard.

thanks for all your suggestions!

you're welcome.

it's always fun to play with electronice 'toys'.  sounds like your on the right track.

here's something you haven't heard...

do you know electronics work with smoke?

'cause when you let the smoke out of them, they quit working!!   ha ha, i kill me...

have fun!

Has your car got a multi function electric windows switch? The one's where you can push it forwards for up or click it forwards a bit more to close the windows completey. You could easier put a relay across this and link it to alarm, or even the central locking motor.

Cheers, S.

haha ok well after much debate i'm actually now considering converting to a window module...

one've the drawbacks to the system i built is that it consists entirely of individual relays.  and relays don't last forever.  my sytem's worked fine for the past several months but as of late has been rather tempermental.  i'm pretty sure one've the 6 relays used to alternate the signal between 'up' and 'down' is goin bad.  it would be quite a pain to diagnose which one it is and then rewire everything to replace it.  in addition i haven't been able to come up with a simple and straight-forward solution to add auto-roll-up. so as of now i'm leaning towards replacing the relays i've installed with a dei 530t module.

anyone got a hookup on a 530T?