hidden starter kill, ghost switch
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Topic: hidden starter kill, ghost switch
Posted By: SPS70129
Subject: hidden starter kill, ghost switch
Date Posted: November 19, 2003 at 11:47 AM
does anyone know of any slick ways of having a ghost switch for starter kill, also ways of hooking it up thanks
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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: November 19, 2003 at 12:01 PM
Tie it into your cigarette lighter. Install a push on push off switch on the backside of the lighter. You will need to fabricate your own bracket but it's not that hard.
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: SPS70129
Date Posted: November 19, 2003 at 12:47 PM
thanks Jeff, quick question (maybe a stupid one) is there anyway i can do this and still use my lighter? and also how do i go about doing this? thanks
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: November 19, 2003 at 11:27 PM
No, basically you loose the function of the lighter. The bracket you make has to be placed far enough back that when you depress the lighter, it will press the switch. ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: SPS70129
Date Posted: November 21, 2003 at 4:50 PM
THANKS JEFF
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: November 21, 2003 at 6:21 PM
How about if you cut the power wire going to the cig lighter, and wire it to a negative trigger passive starter kill? When you push the cig lighter in it will pass the ground and activate the relay allowing you to start the car. Think it will work?
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Posted By: PatD
Date Posted: November 23, 2003 at 9:25 AM
Auex, it will work. Just disconnect the positive side of your cig lighter and use it as the trigger for your starter kill. The coil that heats will pass enough ground to sh*tch a relay. I have done a weird install with this one......lol
Posted By: PatD
Date Posted: November 23, 2003 at 9:26 AM
but yes, you will lose functionality of your lighter.
Posted By: tuneman
Date Posted: November 24, 2003 at 1:37 AM
You can basicly use any switch or button on your dash. Turn signal, rear defrost, parking light, head light, having to have the e-brake on, or off. Which ever button or switch you use just needs to trigger a relay to allow starting. Just reply with a "what if I used such and such a switch or button" and I can try to help.
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Posted By: lil_joker2k2
Date Posted: November 26, 2003 at 3:56 PM
how can I do the E-Brake thing, I already have my seatbelt and cruise control, dont know how to do the e brake....its a 95 accord ex
Posted By: tuneman
Date Posted: November 27, 2003 at 4:04 AM
You should have a negative trigger coming off of your e-brake. Lets say you want your e-brake set to start the car. Cut your starter wire coming off of your key solinoid, one wire will go to terminal 30 and the other will go to terminal 87. Terminal 86 will get +12volts (use the ignition wire or else the relay will be active everytime the e-brake is set, also, make sure you use true ignition, this will stay at 12 volts while the engine is cranking over) while terminal 85 will be the -12 volts coming from your e-brake wire. (If you've never looked at your e-brake assembly before, there will be a wire connected to a terminal on the assembly, all this wire does is tell your dash light that your e-brake is on). Terminal 30 One side of the cut starter wire Terminal 87 The other side of the cut starter wire Terminal 86 +12volts IGNITION Terminal 85 -12volts from your e-brake Now lets say that you want your e-brake NOT engaged (with it down) to start the car. Follow the same procedures as above, but switch the starter wire from 87 to 87a. What this will do is allow starting only with the e-brake down. Having the e-brake up will be impossible to start the car. This is actually probably the more preferred method of the two since most people set the brake out of habbit. If a thief were to get in and try to start the car with a screw driver and the brake was set, he would go nowhere! Good Luck, Mark -------------
Posted By: lil_joker2k2
Date Posted: January 03, 2004 at 3:31 PM
Ok thanks, i'll give that a try, i had not checked the post in a while so sorry for the late answer, one more question thought, i also have my cruise control button as a kill switch, it has to be turned on in order to start the car BUT i keep getting feedback, when the button is in the off position you can see the light its somewhat dim, I tried putting a diode but it wont work. I'm puzzled on that one.
Posted By: SPS70129
Date Posted: January 05, 2004 at 9:48 AM
wassup everyone!? ok i've got a '99 dodge intrepid(it should be a crime that they made them so easy to steal)! does anyone have an idea for a great starter kill ghost switch? with this car i need one bad. don't get me wrong i love it , but so does thives. thanks
Posted By: mike948753
Date Posted: February 29, 2004 at 2:13 PM
Ok I have an 84 Cherokee and I want to add a starter interrupt. I want to make it to where you have to push the cruise control button in order to start it. Well I cant find which wires to attach where. Can someone give me a very detailed directions on how to do this and what color wires go where? Thanks.
Posted By: kidtransam
Date Posted: March 03, 2004 at 6:51 PM
what i did was cut the starter wire from the steering column (so it no longer will crank from the ignition switch)and wired it up (with a relay) to the nitrous button on my b&m shifter. Basically you have to turn the key on, then push the nitro button to start.
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With a torch and a big enough hammer...it WILL friggin fit!!
Posted By: Trimble Epic
Date Posted: March 04, 2004 at 10:43 AM
out of curiousity, doesn't that also fire nitrous while you're trying to start the car? Is that a good idea?
Posted By: mike948753
Date Posted: March 04, 2004 at 5:47 PM
Aight well that was my plans but I dont know which wire is my starter wire! There is about 6 wires coming from the ignition. And they all show power when I turn the key. Any hints?
Posted By: mobile1
Date Posted: March 05, 2004 at 12:51 AM
the starter wire will read voltage only when the vehicle is cranking.
Posted By: kidtransam
Date Posted: March 07, 2004 at 10:06 AM
lol..sorry. I dont have nitrous on the car..the shifter comes with a nitrous button on it.
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Posted By: blackmagicwrx
Date Posted: March 08, 2004 at 7:53 PM
tuneman here's one for ya.
in my subaru i decided that using my radar detector hardwire to trigger a fuel kill relay. basically i'd like to make a latching relay that will only turn on when i have my radar detector on, if it's not on before the key turns to ignition then the fuel pump wont start.
the radar detector is a 8500 and i have it wired to an accessory power curcuit. obviously tieing the tigger for the relays into the positive will be useless. any ideas?
Posted By: white caddy
Date Posted: March 18, 2004 at 11:38 PM
a cut off on the fuel or ignition is a great idea because no matter how slick your starter kill is, all you have to do is get the car ready to crank and jump the starter. me myself i use my cruise control button but if you want something more elusive by all means do so, the harder you try to keep your car the harder they have to work to drive it away.
the best way i found to keep a car is not to "dress it up" so much that everybody want to steal what you have.
a fancy car is like a fancy women, the better she looks the more someones going to try to steal her from you! ha!
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d.s.
Posted By: white caddy
Date Posted: March 18, 2004 at 11:43 PM
oh i forgot, heres a easy slick one.
if you have a (dependable) remote start- cut the wire from the ignition to the stater and leave the wire from the remote start connected to the starter side. this way the key will NEVER start the car, it will only start with the remote start button on your transmitter.
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d.s.
Posted By: magickdan
Date Posted: March 26, 2004 at 9:55 AM
Hi everyone I am new here but I got an idea. How about a reed switch. For those who don't know what it is it's a magnetic switch. Just carry the small magnet with you and when you get in your car put the magnet over the switch and there you go.
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