Wig-Wag Diagram
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Forum Name: Relays
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Printed Date: May 04, 2024 at 4:54 AM
Topic: Wig-Wag Diagram
Posted By: chasesaccessori
Subject: Wig-Wag Diagram
Date Posted: April 08, 2004 at 2:42 PM
maybe you can add this diagram to your data base.  ------------- (owner/installer)
Chase's Accessories
Ridgecrest, CA
in business since 92
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Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: April 08, 2004 at 3:00 PM
Hi chasesaccessori, will be happy to add a diagram like you have, but I see a problem with your diagram. The lead going to each light should be connected to terminal 30 of each relay respectively, the outputs from the flasher should be connected to terminal 87 of each relay respectively and the switch side of each light should be connected to terminal 87a of each relay respectively. The way it is shown in your diagram now, 12V+ will be sent to the switch side of each light instead of the light itself when 12V+ is supplied by the switch in your diagram. -------------  the12volt • Support the12volt.com
Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: April 08, 2004 at 3:01 PM
Ahh, I see you changed your diagram. ------------- the12volt • Support the12volt.com
Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: April 08, 2004 at 3:03 PM
Your original diagram here was what I was initially replying to.  ------------- the12volt • Support the12volt.com
Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: April 08, 2004 at 3:06 PM
BTW, your second diagram still has a problem. When you attempt to turn on the lights with the switch in the vehicle, 12V+ will be sent to the flasher outputs instead of the lights. ------------- the12volt • Support the12volt.com
Posted By: chasesaccessori
Date Posted: April 08, 2004 at 3:42 PM
Your right. Man, I have ht hardest time remembering how relays work unless I have one right here in front of me.
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(owner/installer)
Chase's Accessories
Ridgecrest, CA
in business since 92
Posted By: chasesaccessori
Date Posted: April 08, 2004 at 3:50 PM
here it is correct.  ------------- (owner/installer)
Chase's Accessories
Ridgecrest, CA
in business since 92
Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: April 08, 2004 at 5:27 PM
Koo ;) ------------- the12volt • Support the12volt.com
Posted By: BumpNGlow
Date Posted: April 08, 2004 at 7:43 PM
details on where to get a Terminal Flasher some what cheaply? Thanks for the diagram. Is there any easy way to add in a potentometer to make the speed adjustable? Thanks again
Posted By: chasesaccessori
Date Posted: April 12, 2004 at 10:13 AM
 hope this is better ------------- (owner/installer)
Chase's Accessories
Ridgecrest, CA
in business since 92
Posted By: chasesaccessori
Date Posted: April 12, 2004 at 10:23 AM
BumpNglow,
If looking for less expensive just stick to a thermal 3 terminal flasher. For upgrade to what is here look towards getting an electronic 3 terminal flasher. I once saw a electronic flasher that had a built-in Pot for adjustment. I personally would like to have one that gives out double pulses.
The more changes you make the more the cost to make. And there will come a time when the cost will be high enough that you might as well buy a premade unit.
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(owner/installer)
Chase's Accessories
Ridgecrest, CA
in business since 92
Posted By: Thack79
Date Posted: April 12, 2004 at 1:35 PM
Chase, Is 87 or 87a being spliced to the light wire?
Posted By: chasesaccessori
Date Posted: April 12, 2004 at 2:06 PM
87a goes to lights switch
87 goes to the light
in converting from .bmp to .jpg the drawings loose their clearity. Sorry.
I'm in hopes that the12volt will take my sketch and redo it and post in in the Diagrams.
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(owner/installer)
Chase's Accessories
Ridgecrest, CA
in business since 92
Posted By: Thack79
Date Posted: April 12, 2004 at 2:27 PM
thanks for even posting it. Appreciated
Posted By: chasesaccessori
Date Posted: April 14, 2004 at 10:00 AM
 I corrected the wrong image. Sorry. Thack79, Sorry I told you wrong. 30 goes to light and 87a goes to switch. ------------- (owner/installer)
Chase's Accessories
Ridgecrest, CA
in business since 92
Posted By: Thack79
Date Posted: April 15, 2004 at 7:22 AM
: ) no problems.
Posted By: BumpNGlow
Date Posted: April 15, 2004 at 1:50 PM
I couldn't find any terminal flashers on allelectronics.com -- do you know what online place would have them?
Posted By: chasesaccessori
Date Posted: April 16, 2004 at 10:31 AM
BumpNglow,
terminal flashers?
I think what you need to be looking for is a (3)three terminal, Thermal flasher. (wagner #537, 12 volt, 3 terminal, thermal flasher)
or
a three terminal electronic flasher.
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(owner/installer)
Chase's Accessories
Ridgecrest, CA
in business since 92
Posted By: chasesaccessori
Date Posted: April 16, 2004 at 10:43 AM
https://www.12voltdreams.com/it110005.html
I found these guys have them for $5. course I bought mine at Kragen for $3
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(owner/installer)
Chase's Accessories
Ridgecrest, CA
in business since 92
Posted By: chrias
Date Posted: May 24, 2004 at 6:49 PM
Chase, I followed your diagram to the T but it does not alternate the headlights on my 86 Grand Prix. It just flashes both lights at the same time. Any ideas as to what the problem may be?
Posted By: werox709
Date Posted: May 26, 2004 at 11:02 AM
hye man with this diagram you make lights flash toguether.....what can i do to make them flash one before the other once and again.. thanks ------------- "WErOx"
Posted By: chrias
Date Posted: May 27, 2004 at 10:46 AM
I think I know what my problem is. I used a 550 flasher and found out afterwards that it is not an alternating flasher. I went out and bought the EL13A2 wig-wag flasher which replaces the 537 flasher as they are now discontinued according to the Tricon website. When I get my car back from the shop I will try it out. I don't see any reason for it not to work now. I realize now that you can't use just any 3 prong flasher. It has to be an alternating flasher which aren't sold in a lot of stores.
Posted By: werox709
Date Posted: May 27, 2004 at 2:19 PM
where can i found and alterning flasher????
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"WErOx"
Posted By: BumpNGlow
Date Posted: May 28, 2004 at 5:33 PM
if this diagram makes them flash together, you can add another 5 pin relay in there and have a 2nd set of lights that will flash off beat. Give it a try.
Posted By: cybberguy
Date Posted: May 29, 2004 at 12:01 PM
hi, I am new here. I have tried with the diagram, but only one light is flashing. Can you tell me what or where is wrong. I tried with a three way flasher. I also have a two way flasher. Will that work??Please let me know if there is somewhere wrong with the diagram that I follow. thanks
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Malaysia Boleh
Posted By: YGelbman
Date Posted: May 30, 2004 at 1:19 AM
Hi first every car is diffrent when it comes to wig wag espscilly the newer cars that have daytime runing lights and the best flasher would be if you use it from SHO-ME ------------- Its not the product you sell its the job you sell
Posted By: BumpNGlow
Date Posted: May 30, 2004 at 1:47 PM
in reply to CyberGuy It's hard to tell you what you did wrong without seeing it :D It could be a bad connection or an incorrect connection. in reply to YGelbman The Sho-Me flasher is like 20$ though right? It'd be nice to be able to make it cheaper.
Posted By: dav12
Date Posted: May 30, 2004 at 8:36 PM
I did this on the bench with 2 lights, both flash same time, I did not see antwhere about using other then a std flasher, $20 flasher? I can just buy a wigwag unit for $35 or so, is there a real way to get wigwag action with cheap parts or not?
Posted By: cybberguy
Date Posted: May 31, 2004 at 2:01 AM
well, in Malaysia here, we don't really get this projects in the market. If we want to do, then we have to order overseas or build from scratch.
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Malaysia Boleh
Posted By: mottyk
Date Posted: June 09, 2004 at 8:54 PM
I have a similar setup in my car. Only difference is that I keep constant power to the flasher on a 15 Amp fuse and a 2 Amp fuse swiched power to energize the relays. Just my 0.02 cents ------------- Nice guys don't finish last, they are just running in a different race.
Posted By: Yuri
Date Posted: June 17, 2004 at 1:11 PM
If you want alternating lights, just add another relay into the circuit after the flasher,but befor the relays (it could even be a two-way flasher). I have no way of drawing it, but basically, you make the flasher control the relay coil, then take your 12V source on pin 30. Output to one light would be 87, the other 87a. Granted, you'ld still have to use the relays configured like in Chase's diagram if you want the lights to work NORMAL too.
This is just something I thought of "on-the-spot", so it's never been tested or anything. But I don't see why it wouldn't work.
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