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Radio On Until Door Opened

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Forum Name: Relays
Forum Discription: Relay Diagrams, SPDT Relays, SPST Relays, DPDT Relays, Latching Relays, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=57346
Printed Date: May 22, 2024 at 12:09 AM


Topic: Radio On Until Door Opened

Posted By: yamathegreat
Subject: Radio On Until Door Opened
Date Posted: June 09, 2005 at 4:00 AM

ok so i want to add this feture to my truck but i have a question before i start i can see y this will turn off my radio but will it not turn back on when my door is then closed? or does my car know better or the radio just wondering i know this is proly a stupid question but any help would be great

posted_image Radio On Until Door Opened (Retained Accessory Power)
If you wish to keep the radio (or any other device that is powered by an accessory circuit) on until a door is opened, you can do so by creating a latch when the accessory is turned on with the relay shown below on the left, then breaking ground to the latch when a door is opened as shown with the relay below on the right. While this will keep the radio on, the entire accessory circuit will see 12V+ until a door is opened with the key in the off position.
 
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Posted By: MHARVEY
Date Posted: June 09, 2005 at 7:08 AM
once you open the door the latch the relay creates is broken and will not turn the radio back on till the radio power s back up and creates the latch again




Posted By: itbeanew1
Date Posted: June 14, 2005 at 3:29 PM
I am new to working with relays and this board. I would like to add this to my 2004 Mazda6 and have a few questions..

1. is it the same procedure for every car?

2. the relays shown in the diagram already in the car or      do i need to purchase these? if they are already in the car, which ones are they?

3. if i do have to install the relays, how do i go about doing that? do i have to buy a mini fuse block or what?

4. what does the black line in the diagram represent?




Posted By: yamathegreat
Date Posted: June 15, 2005 at 4:22 AM
new problem!!! my door trigger is is - when the door in closed and dead when the door is open how can i change this relay to keep my radio on now i tried adding a 3rdd but now if i leqave my door open for more then about 2 min the dadio comes back on




Posted By: yamathegreat
Date Posted: June 15, 2005 at 4:59 AM
would i just change wire 87a on the right relay to 87?




Posted By: Theshadow27
Date Posted: June 15, 2005 at 11:33 AM

itbeanew1 wrote:

I am new to working with relays and this board. I would like to add this to my 2004 Mazda6 and have a few questions..

1. is it the same procedure for every car?

2. the relays shown in the diagram already in the car or      do i need to purchase these? if they are already in the car, which ones are they?

3. if i do have to install the relays, how do i go about doing that? do i have to buy a mini fuse block or what?

4. what does the black line in the diagram represent?

1) pretty much, but it depends on if the door trigger is normaly float, +, or -. in any case the right hand relay can be wired slightly diffrently to have it work.

2) not in the car (otherwise it would work already). you may or may not be able to re-use one of the relays, but it is simpler to just add both so that you dont have to figure out stock wireing.

3) the relays come with mounting holes for screws, but most people just let them dangle or zip tie them to a wireing harnass. for the actual connections, automotive relays have quick-connect tabs so that you can crimp female quick connecters right to the wires and have them plug in to the relay directly. it is easyest if you use splice in connectors and scraps of wire to go to the relays.

4) the ground wire. this is usaly any black wire - if you are taping power off the radio harness there will be a ground there for you. the metal frame in the car is grounded too, so worst case you wrap a wire around a screw.

yamathegreat wrote:

would i just change wire 87a on the right relay to 87?

yes - this is because the relay (with your setup) is normaly closed, and opens when the door does. therefore the latch must de-latch on door open.



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Posted By: itbeanew1
Date Posted: June 15, 2005 at 11:54 AM
thanks alot for your help. ill try this real soon.




Posted By: yamathegreat
Date Posted: June 15, 2005 at 12:51 PM
thanks shadow ill give that a try




Posted By: al3372
Date Posted: July 15, 2005 at 5:20 PM

Hi All,

Serious newbie here looking to install the same relay set up.  I've read through all the tutorials & posts I can find on this and have a couple of questions:

1. For the 12V+ & ground, can I splice these into the respective wires already there for the radio?  Or should I run new leads from the fuse box & chassis?

2. I assume the fuse installed on the 12V+ lead should be rated a bit less than the amperage of the relay being used.  Is this correct?

Any assistance greatly appreciated.





Posted By: auex
Date Posted: July 15, 2005 at 5:34 PM
1. Yes you can use existing wiring.

2. Fuse at whatever the factory is for specified device.

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Posted By: al3372
Date Posted: July 16, 2005 at 11:59 AM

Thanks Auex.

One more question (possibly a really dumb one but again - serious newbie here)... Am I reading the diagram correctly in that there is no connection between the car's and the radio's accessory wire?  So the radio's accessory wire goes into the car's radio harness and ends there?

Thanks again.





Posted By: al3372
Date Posted: July 16, 2005 at 12:02 PM

al3372 wrote:

So the radio's accessory wire goes into the car's radio harness and ends there?


Sorry - that last line should have read "So the CAR's accessory wire goes into the car's radio harness and ends there?"





Posted By: 12vbattery
Date Posted: August 07, 2005 at 1:35 PM
the car's acc must be somewhere

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Posted By: 12vbattery
Date Posted: August 07, 2005 at 5:29 PM
door closed circuit closed at 12v how would i make this work

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Posted By: 12vbattery
Date Posted: August 07, 2005 at 10:11 PM
will this work?
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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 07, 2005 at 11:50 PM
This is simpler.

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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 07, 2005 at 11:53 PM
12vbattery wrote:

the car's acc must be somewhere

The car's acc wire goes to the fuse box, gets distributed. The wire goes from the fuse directly to the radio and is in the wiring harness. Now this depends on the vehicle. Some new vehicles have databus that turns the radio on.

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Always check info with a digital multimeter.
I promise to be good.
Tell Darwin I sent you.

I've been sick lately, sorry I won't be on much.




Posted By: 12vbattery
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 9:01 AM
thanmk auex "IPODs are still stupid!!!" yeah they are

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