Interchanging tail lights when signaling?
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Topic: Interchanging tail lights when signaling?
Posted By: shesaidshewas18
Subject: Interchanging tail lights when signaling?
Date Posted: June 24, 2005 at 8:17 PM
For some reason, no matter how much I read about relays I still cant seem to get the concept of it! Alright, well here's my request: I own a 2001 Eclipse. For the tail lights, there are 3 circles on each tail light. One is a reflector, one is the brake light, and the other is a turn signal. Now when you apply the brakes and signal, the brakes turn on with the middle circle, while the turn signal blinks. Of course the reflector is just a reflector so that stays the same. What I want my tail lights to do instead of what I just stated above, is... Lets say Im signaling left (You are behind me). On my left tail light assembly, I want the brake light, and the turn signal light to interchange blinks while I signal. While my right tail light assembly stays all solid. I hope I explained this thoroughly enough, but please dont hesitate to post if you have any questions. TIA!
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Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: June 25, 2005 at 8:29 PM
So when the breaks are on no blink and when the blinker is on alternate between blinker and break. Make one of these for each side. 
------------- John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !
Posted By: SILVERONE1
Date Posted: June 26, 2005 at 7:45 AM
How can you get the blinker and brake lite to alternate when the brakes are not applied. In the above circuit the brake lite will not alternate with the blinker unless the brakes are applied.
Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: June 26, 2005 at 10:49 PM
This is true. That is just as requested in the post. "Now when you apply the brakes and signal, the brakes turn on with the middle circle, while the turn signal blinks. Of course the reflector is just a reflector so that stays the same. What I want my tail lights to do instead of what I just stated above, is... Lets say Im signaling left (You are behind me). On my left tail light assembly, I want the brake light, and the turn signal light to interchange blinks while I signal. While my right tail light assembly stays all solid." Tell me how you want it to act. The more you add the more complicated it gets. If you add a hot wire to 87 it will blink Alternately unless the break is on, then it will not blink because there is a hot on both 87 and 87a. Here is a way you could do it with 2 relays on each side. But they will blink in tandum instead of alternating. 
------------- John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !
Posted By: SILVERONE1
Date Posted: June 26, 2005 at 11:47 PM
What is the curcuit required, such that when the blinker is actuated, that the rear blinker and brake lite will alternate between each other when the brakes are applied and also when the brakes are released? If the 4 way flasher happens to be actuated at the same time, will that cause a problem?
Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: June 26, 2005 at 11:53 PM
These Diagrams take time to figure out. Let me work on it awhile. The 4 way blinker just hit me in the head with a big curve Ball and I am trying to get back on my feet. Now I have a headache.  ------------- John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !
Posted By: maglin
Date Posted: July 07, 2005 at 10:15 PM
props for the diagrams tho. they're nice. why are you modifiying the orignal system man? if they act funny, its against the law ya know. *leaves his standard lamps the hell alone personally*
~~Vinn
Posted By: shesaidshewas18
Date Posted: July 09, 2005 at 12:08 AM
Thanks for all the help. Sorry if I didnt explain enough. I'll try again but more elaborately: Ok, if Im signaling withOUT having the brakes pressed down, I want one set of my tail lights to be all OFF while the other set of tail lights has a set of alternating lights. <This would be during the day, with my parking lights and headlights off - If it was night time, while I was signaling, withOUT pressing the brakes, Id want one set of alternating lights (The left set if Im signaling left), while the right side still has light, but not as if I had the brakes down. Now if Im signaling WITH the brakes down, I want one set of my tail lights to be ALL ON. white the other set of lights alternate. <This would be day or night Hope this helps =) Oh maglin, the reason being is because... I think its pretty cool, and Im pretty sure its illegal, but its a modification that I came up with, that I havent seen done on a car like mines, and I think it would be pretty cool =P Almost anything you do to your car is illegal. Especially where I live ;)
Posted By: chevylane2003
Date Posted: July 11, 2005 at 4:54 AM
All I know is one when your park lights are on. Run a wire from the blinker hot to the brake ground. This is done on the front of most older cars.
Posted By: shesaidshewas18
Date Posted: July 13, 2005 at 1:15 AM
chevylane2003 wrote:
All I know is one when your park lights are on. Run a wire from the blinker hot to the brake ground. This is done on the front of most older cars.
Um ok? Thats not what Im trying to get accomplished.
Posted By: sykoaudio
Date Posted: August 18, 2005 at 12:02 AM
I know exactly what you are trying to do!! There are electronic modules that replace the old mechanical alternating turn signal components made for the 60's model T-Birds, 67 and up Cougars, and the late 60's Mustang Cobra's. Not sure how you would go about using one of these for your application, but figured this might help to lead you in the right direction. I have never actually used one of these modules, but the only thing is that the cars above had 3 tail lights per side, not sure how it would work with only two lights. Well, hopefully this will help
Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: August 18, 2005 at 12:23 AM
https://www.squarebirds.org/sequential.htm 
------------- John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !
Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: August 18, 2005 at 12:24 AM
https://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Year/1969/Seq/conversion.htm 
------------- John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !
Posted By: SILVERONE1
Date Posted: August 27, 2005 at 10:04 AM
What is the circuit inside the STS1 module? How do I prevent feedback from this circuit diagram to the original car wiring if I want to apply your diagram to my separate stop lamps and turn signal lamps, not to two or three separate stop lamps as shown?
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