Starter Relay for Civic 2002 lx

Hi everyone,

Thanks for reading, I am installing a Black Widow (BW1650) alarm/starter/keyless entry  combo.  I got the keyless entry and alarm to work, but I'm having problems with the starter, I hooked up a relay like this:

Cut the starter wire in half, then plug the key side of the wire into pin 30, jump a wire from 30 to 85, plug the engine side of the starter wire into 87a along with the alarm unit's starter output wire, then plug the alarm unit's armed output wire into 86.

I got the above instructions from off a how-to article.

I did this and it scared the crap out of me cause I couldn't start my car! But luckily, it was just a blown ingition fuse.

The instructions from the alarm says to do this:

orange armed output to 86, keyside starter wire to 87a, engine side starter wire and alarm units starter wire to 30, then alarm ingition output to 85.

I don't know which is the right one, and I don't want to mess anything up again.

Also, it said to plug the ingition input and output wire to the main ingition wire.  I was told to cut the ignition wire in half, then wire the input to the key side, and output to the engine side.  What do I do? 

Actually, I'll just list all the wires that I'm having problems with from the alarm, maybe someone can help me.  Oh and don't worry about the transponder part, I can handle that.

1. Orange wire(thick wire) - Main ignition output

2. Violet Wire(thick wire) - Starter output

the rest are thin wires

3. yellow wire - +12v ignitoin input

4. violet wire - positive door trigger (+)

5. green wire - negative door trigger (-)

6. orange wire - armed output (-) (for starter kill)

7.white wire - parking light output (+/-)

I know this is a big bundle of questions, but if you could help me with a little section, that would be fine, thanks!

Sorry, I got the model number wrong, I'm Installing a:

Black Widow BW6150

Do this one : orange armed output to 86, keyside starter wire to 87a, engine side starter wire and alarm units starter wire to 30, then alarm ingition output to 85.

Also, it said to plug the ingition input and output wire to the main ingition wire.  I was told to cut the ignition wire in half, then wire the input to the key side, and output to the engine side.  What do I do? 

• Do exactly as it says.... cut the primary ignition wire in half and attach the appropriate wires to the input and output wires from the alarm.

1. Orange wire(thick wire) - Main ignition output BLACK / YELLOW

2. Violet Wire(thick wire) - Starter output BLACK/ white

the rest are thin wires

3. yellow wire - +12v ignitoin input BLACK / YELLOW

4. violet wire - positive door trigger (+) NOT USED

5. green wire - negative door trigger (-) The drivers door trigger is green, front passenger door trigger is lt. GREEN/ red, and the rear door trigger is GREEN / WHITE.

6. orange wire - armed output (-) (for starter kill)

7.white wire - parking light output (+/-) PARKING LIGHTS (+) RED / black  found at the back of the fusebox 
 &  PARKING LIGHTS (-) blue  found at the factory alarm plug ( factory alarm plug is a green plug above the drivers kick panel )

What kind of clips should I use?  Butt connectors, quick splicers, t clips?  Also, what does hopping a wire from 30 to 85 do?  Thanks a lot for your help!  I appreciate it!

The hardest thing about all this is the room that is presented for me to work with.  How am I supposed to solder everything without ruining everything?  What kind of solder should I use?

David!

Can you please clarify your relay description Jon?  I'm having a hard time trying to read it, thanks!

David!

One more question, where is the tachometer in my car, and how do I locate a place to run my wires throught the fire wall?  Thanks, you guys are alot of help!

David!

How will I get through the firewall of my car?

Hello again!

I couldn't find my door triggers, a diagram said it was in a green plug above my driver's kick, but there are just grey and blue plugs.

Also, I cut my ingnition wire in half, and connected the corresponding wires, and it would remote start, but wouldn't key start.

One more thing, how do I get the shrouding off my steering column?  I tried to unscrew a couple of screws on the sides of the steering wheel, but they won't budge, this is for my transmod.

Thanks again!

 The factory alarm plug is a green plug above the drivers kick panel and if your vehicle does not have the OEM alarm, the plug is still there attached to nothing. You will see the wires needed in this plug.

• 87a: KEY SIDE of the ignition wire
• 30 : Other side of the cut ignition wire
• 86 : Ignition wire ( keyside )
• 85 : GROUND OUT WHEN RUNNING wire from RS unit.

This should work for the relay on the ignition wire to start with the key.

for the door trigger, you can also use the GREEN/ red wire in a 2 pin grey plug (the other wire in the plug is WHITE/ blue) it's right next to the large grey plug in the drivers kick panel. Catches all doors.

as stated, the green alarm plug is up high, reach to top left under the dash, (behind air vent if your sitting in the seat) you'll see it taped with blue tape. Pull the plug down, ripping the blue tape away and you will have about 8 inches of wire to play with.

Trunk trigger, separate door triggers(must use diodes), ignition, parkinglights(-), horn trigger, etc are all in this plug.

As for the steering collum, the top and botton are clipped together and sometimes can be quite frustrating to remove. Be patient and take your time to locate all the screws and pry the 2 pieces apart carefully. The plastic tabs can break easily and may leave a gap at the seam when reassembled. Make sure you've removed all the screws from underneath. The holes can be pretty deep, so a single purpose screw driver is needed, as an interchanable bit type will not fit in the holes.

Thanks, and sorry to bother you again, but for the ignition relay, I don't quite understand Which wires to plug in, (car ignition wire or rs wire).  Could you break it down for me just a bit further, thanks for your understanding, and help. 

Ok, here's what I understand:

30 - Car input

87a - car output

and that's it....

I still have a rs ignition input and output to play with, and will this work for both key on, and remote start?