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Topic: linear actuator for lambo doors

Posted By: djrob_1
Subject: linear actuator for lambo doors
Date Posted: August 11, 2007 at 12:35 PM

HI I am installing lambo doors on a 99 lincoln towncar and hooking them up to a linear actuator. I want to run them up and down off one channel in my alarm. I have been through every actuator forum and couldn't find what I was looking for that might be because it cant be done.

Ok the actuator has 2 wires red and black hook power to red and ground to black and it will extend. switch it with power to black and ground to red and it will retract. Is there anyway to hook this up to one channel in my remote (for only one side I will hook the other side to another channel) WITHOUT using micro switches. for example i press lock channel once and the door goes up until the built in limit swich stops it then i press the lock button again and the door closes. If its not possible I understand but if it is this is the best place to find out.

Thanks Dallas




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Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: August 11, 2007 at 6:29 PM
posted_image Latched On/Off Output Using a Single Momentary Pulse
Similar to the momentary to constant configuration above, we can engage and disengage the latched output with a single pulse from a switch or an output from an alarm or remote keyless entry. The first pulse from the switch will engage the latch. The next pulse from the switch will disengage the latch.
 
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Here is a diagram for the latching portion of what you need.  The pushbutton switch at bottom of the picture can be replaced by the negative output of your alarm.   

This will take 2 more relays to complete what you need to do. I am looking for a diagram here.  If I can't find one I will write instructions.

Are you sure there are limit switches in the actuators? 





Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: August 11, 2007 at 6:45 PM

No luck finding a suitable diagram so here it goes.   Like I said earlier you will need 2 more relays besides the 4 above.

connect the output from the 4 relays above to terminal 85 of both relays.  Connect ground to terminal 86 of both relays.  Connect the red wire of the actuator to terminal 30 of relay 1.  Connect the black wire of the actuator to term. 30 of relay 2. On relay 1 connect 12 volts to 87A and ground to 87.   On relay 2 connect  Ground to 87A and 12 volts to 87.

We want the setup to pull no current when the doors are closed. In order to test this, disconnect the 12 volt output from the 4 relay setup, if the doors stay down everything is OK.  If the doors go up, you will need to switch the red and black going to the actuators.

If you do not check the above, and have it wrong the relays will be pulling current when the car is parked.  And a dead battery could keep you from getting into the vehicle.





Posted By: djrob_1
Date Posted: August 12, 2007 at 1:13 AM
Thanks Very Much and yes there is limit switches is them




Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: August 12, 2007 at 6:28 PM

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Most Remotes use a different output for each mode. Mode 1 being the first click of the button and Mode 2 being the second. Just hook the respective outputs to each relay and only two relays are needed to do the job.



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John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !




Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: August 12, 2007 at 6:41 PM
It sure would help to know what Alarm system you have Type and model number.

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John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !




Posted By: tuckin-22
Date Posted: August 16, 2007 at 1:18 PM

what is the m for in the middle

thanks





Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: August 16, 2007 at 7:40 PM
M = Motor or Actuator Motor

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John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !




Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: August 16, 2007 at 7:46 PM
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John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !




Posted By: djrob_1
Date Posted: August 16, 2007 at 7:51 PM
its an autoloc alarm 8 channel I dont know the model number though




Posted By: djrob_1
Date Posted: August 16, 2007 at 7:56 PM
im sorry but i dont really understand the drawing isn't there a way to just use two buttons one up one down I have givin up on the single button method I dont wanna use a hundred relays but what is the best way to do it two buttons the way your drawing looks like I need four out of my remote.




Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: August 16, 2007 at 8:09 PM

Autoloc KL800 8 Function Keyless Entry

Product Page
https://www.thehoffmangroup.com/Autoloc/detail.lasso?itemid=KL800

Instructions
https://files.thehoffmangroup.com/instructions/KL800.pdf
 



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John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !




Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: August 16, 2007 at 8:29 PM
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John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !




Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: August 16, 2007 at 8:43 PM
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John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !




Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: August 16, 2007 at 8:44 PM
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John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !




Posted By: djrob_1
Date Posted: August 16, 2007 at 11:04 PM
yes that is the alarm




Posted By: tuckin-22
Date Posted: August 17, 2007 at 8:05 AM

hotwaterwizard wrote:

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alright ten what are the "remote neg output"  and the "remote pos output" for where do they go?





Posted By: tuckin-22
Date Posted: August 17, 2007 at 8:14 AM

ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh nevermind if your alarm utputs are positive you use te positve setup and one button goes to one side and the other button goes to the other side

and likewise for the negative output

but will it hurt the actuator if it is always gounded on both sides?





Posted By: hotwaterwizard
Date Posted: August 17, 2007 at 8:29 AM
nope it won'[t hurt a thing

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John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
When in doubt, try it out !




Posted By: tuckin-22
Date Posted: August 17, 2007 at 8:33 AM
cool i got ya but is what i said correct about the out puts from the alarm




Posted By: rjones4876
Date Posted: August 17, 2007 at 3:17 PM

spal has actuator controllers.  put the door up and program that to position one, put the door down and progam to position two.  without limit switches, the alarm won't know the postion of the actuator.  even the controller I told you about will require 2 inputs

why don't you want any limit or "micro" switches





Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: August 17, 2007 at 4:37 PM

Are you always going to use the actuators to open the doors?  Will the vehicle still have working door pins? 

It would be fairly simple to make this work IF you still have door pins (if door is closed and button is pushed raise doors, if door is open and button is pushed lower doors).



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: djrob_1
Date Posted: August 17, 2007 at 6:49 PM
ok I am just going to use two buttons for my actuator. I also have a solenoids in the door to open the latch then it swings out about 8 inches then the actuator pushes it up. then when you reverse the actuator it goes down and then you shut the door by hand its kinda a pain, but its what my customer wants.





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