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honda civic si viper 4806 w flcanPrinted From: the12volt.comForum Name: Vehicle Wiring Information & File Requests Forum Discription: Request Car Alarm, Car Stereo, Cruise Control, Remote Starter, Navigation, Mobile Video, and Other Vehicle Specific Wiring Info, Manuals, Tech Tips URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=135841 Printed Date: April 29, 2024 at 6:57 AM Topic: honda civic si viper 4806 w flcan Posted By: stev067 Subject: honda civic si viper 4806 w flcan Date Posted: January 15, 2014 at 5:14 PM Greetings!
I'm getting ready to do my second remote start installation, and I'm finding that this is a bit more complex than the first. I want to make this a very clean installation on my brand new car, and don't want extra connections or missed connections. As stated in the subject, I'm installing a Viper 4806v with FlashLogic FLCAN (pre-programmed by the seller) on my 2013 Civic Si coupe (manual). I've made a few attempts to map everything out, but I keep getting frustrated because a few things are unclear: What functions will be handled entirely over FLCAN? What are the 200mA power wires? What connections do I need to make to the car even though they're shown as D2D for conversation between starter and bypass? I'd really appreciate if someone could just fill in the blanks for me. I'm leaving everything blank because I'm not confident about what all is necessary, as I stated above. If I had some answers to those questions, I think I could give it a go if nobody is willing. Thanks for reading. Vehicle Information: 2013 Honda Civic Si Coupe (manual trans) Alarm / Remote Start Unit: Viper 4806v Bypass Module: FlashLogic FLCAN Alarm / Remote Start / Bypass Unit Vehicle Connection Color Description Color Polarity Location: H/1 Red (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT H/2 Black (-) CHASSIS GROUND H/3 Brown (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT H/4 WHITE/ Brown LIGHT FLASH ISOLATION WIRE - PIN 87a light flash relay H/5 White PIN 30 of LIGHT FLASH RELAY H/6 Orange 500 mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT 1 Blue 500mA (-) UNLOCK OUTPUT 2 Empty NOT USED 3 Green 500mA (-) LOCK OUTPUT 1 Pink/White (-) 200mA Ignition 2/Flex OUTPUT 2 Blue/White (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT 3 RED / White (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT 4 BLACK / YELLOW (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT OUTPUT 5 Dark Blue (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT 6 WHITE/ Black (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT 7 WHITE/ Violet (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT 8 ORANGE / Black (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT 9 Gray (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (NC OR NO) 10 Blue* FACTORY HORN INPUT (Use Jumper to set polarity) 11 WHITE/ Blue ACTIVATION INPUT 12 Violet/White** TACHOMETER INPUT 13 BLACK/ White*** (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY /PARKING BRAKE INPUT 14 GREEN/ Black (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM OUTPUT 15 Green** (-) DOOR INPUT 16 Empty NOT USED 17 Pink (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT 18 Violet** (+) DOOR INPUT 19 Violet/Black (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT 20 Brown (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT 21 Violet / YELLOW (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT 22 Gray/Black (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT 23 Orange (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT 24 GREEN / WHITE (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM OUTPUT 1 RED / Black (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ACC and starter relays 2 Pink/Black (+) FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY 3 Pink/White (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT 4 Red (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ignition 1 relay 5 Violet (+) STARTER OUTPUT 6 Orange (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT 7 RED / White (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ignition 2 and flex relays 8 Pink (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT * This optional input can be connected to the horn circuit (+ or -) in vehicles with factory alarm. When this wire receives input for a minimum of 5 seconds, the system reports a trigger on the 2-way remote. This input is for 2-way 5-buttonsystems only. ** Required connection for manual transmission vehicles. *** Ground this wire for automatic transmission vehicles or connect to the parking brake wire for manual transmission vehicles (see owners guide for manual transmission procedure). Replies: Posted By: stev067 Date Posted: January 15, 2014 at 8:51 PM Well I figured the utter blankness of my post was discouraging, so here's my best guess at each connection:
Connection Color Description Destination H/1 Red (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT 12v red H/2 Black (-) CHASSIS GROUND chassis ground H/3 Brown (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT CAN H/4 WHITE/ Brown LIGHT FLASH ISOLATION WIRE - PIN 87a light flash relay NC H/5 White PIN 30 of LIGHT FLASH RELAY CAN H/6 Orange 500 mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT NC 1 Blue 500mA (-) UNLOCK OUTPUT CAN 2 Empty NOT USED 3 Green 500mA (-) LOCK OUTPUT CAN 1 Pink/White (-) 200mA Ignition 2/Flex OUTPUT NC 2 Blue/White (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT NC 3 RED / White (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT CAN 4 BLACK / YELLOW (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT OUTPUT CAN 5 Dark Blue (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT NC 6 WHITE/ Black (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT Aux? 7 WHITE/ Violet (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT Aux? 8 ORANGE / Black (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT Aux? 9 Gray (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (NC OR NO) CAN 10 Blue* FACTORY HORN INPUT (Use Jumper to set polarity) NC 11 WHITE/ Blue ACTIVATION INPUT NC 12 Violet/White** TACHOMETER INPUT CAN 13 BLACK/ White*** (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY /PARKING BRAKE INPUT CAN 14 GREEN/ Black (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM OUTPUT CAN 15 Green** (-) DOOR INPUT CAN 16 Empty NOT USED 17 Pink (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT NC 18 Violet** (+) DOOR INPUT CAN 19 Violet/Black (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT Aux? 20 Brown (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT CAN 21 Violet / YELLOW (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT NC 22 Gray/Black (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT 23 Orange (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT NC 24 GREEN / WHITE (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM OUTPUT NC 1 RED / Black (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ACC and starter relays 12V red 2 Pink/Black (+) FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY NC 3 Pink/White (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT program as accessory 2, connect to accessory 2 4 Red (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ignition 1 relay 12V red 5 Violet (+) STARTER OUTPUT Connect to starter 6 Orange (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT connect to accessory 1 7 RED / White (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ignition 2 and flex relays NC 8 Pink (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT connect to ignition 1 Posted By: kreg357 Date Posted: January 15, 2014 at 9:29 PM Hopefully the seller flashed the FLCAN with the FLC-AL(DL)-HA3 version of firmware. Here is a link to the current install guide : The Viper 4806 is a remote start with keyless entry only. It has no alarm functions, however the FLCAN supplies those signals In two-way D2D mode a lot of these signals are taken care of. The Door Status, Trunk Status and Hood Status ( if your car has Here is the wiring necessary : H/1 Red (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT white (50A) + ignition switch ------------- Soldering is fun! Posted By: stev067 Date Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:13 PM Thank you so much, that helps a ton! Just a couple remaining questions:
1) Do I need to add a relay for any of those connections or am I set? 2) In the schematic for the FLCAN, it looks like I need to make some connections (black wires). Is all of that necessary and accurate? Ground (-) input - Purple / YELLOW (connect to ground to enable automatic relock after start) Ebreak, tach, and trunk status direct connect to the viper. So not d2d compatible? Door lock and unlock hardwired to car CanH,CanL,Keydata,ignition to ignition cylinder blue/red ground input And a random external connection from WHITE/ black to blue / YELLOW 3) Any recommendations on how I could use the 4 auxillary wires? It would be nice if I could fire up things like full heat, full AC, rear defrost... Posted By: kreg357 Date Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:29 PM 1) No relays needed for the basic install. 2) The FLCAN ( iDatalink ) info is very accurate. ------------- Soldering is fun! Posted By: stev067 Date Posted: January 16, 2014 at 4:38 PM Fantastic, thanks so much! I'm going to install on Saturday and will post back.
Posted By: harryharris Date Posted: February 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM Can you not wire this D2D and some hardwire connections as listed above directly to the Viper?
That should make life easier. ------------- Test before boxing up. Posted By: rickdnamps Date Posted: November 29, 2014 at 5:57 PM Question for you guys!!
I have Viper 5706V on my Civic 2010 and when I remote start de car I can't unlock the door with the Viper or OEM remote control. I have to shut off the car and ... Do you have this problem. I connected the auto lock cable on the bypass module after the car remote start. Maybe I can just remove this cable to be able to enter in my car when I'm remote start it (probably the alarm will keep my car in security )!! I just wonder to know if I'm the only with this problem (installation problem or it's normal) Thanks Posted By: howie ll Date Posted: November 30, 2014 at 5:29 PM Try connecting a status output to a key sense wire?
------------- Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service. Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting. Posted By: rickdnamps Date Posted: November 30, 2014 at 5:37 PM Yeah maybe or I will hardwire the unlock lock directly from the viper module to the same cable of the bypass module.
I think the viper module will unlock the door even if the car is in remote start mode. The Bypass in D2D maybe can't do it. I'm surprise about that! When I had Tachometer to OFF position, I was able to start the car and lock unlock the car but When I put it to ON I'm not able. I will try couple of thing. Now I'm unlocking the car before to remote start it. I don't find that really secure but it's better than to have to shutoff the car. |
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