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With all the talk lately about the new safety features of the AVIC I though I would put a poll up. Incase some of you don't know, Pioneer made it extremely difficult to watch video while drive by integrating the NAV's gyro into the system making nearly impossible to watch dvds while driving. Unfortunately for some it also effects some of the NAV functions.

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60+ views and only 9 votes. Pathetic.

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auex, not everyone that views this topic is a member (some views may even be from search engine bots) ...hence the ratio of votes to views.

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Not to mention not everyone who views the board has an opinion, I did, but someone just trying to get a wiring diagram and is going through the forum might not have any idea what you're talking about... I personally think that the concept is cool, kinda disapointing for most people, and for the most part I think it will hurt their sales. I voted NO because it hurts the NAV, I actually have a buddy that ordered the player for the NAV feature and also so his kids could watch movies. He was disapointed with both features and has since sent the unit back.

Well you know I voted auex, that should be a given. I am curious though to one thing. What other company encourages people to bypass safety features? Pioneer is catching a lot of grief for something that everyone else does. Until this year it was easy to bypass, but obviously that has changed. I have been in this business for a long time and I am yet to see a company want people to bypass this feature. The other thing is this. Who else is making a unit close to the features of the N2 for the same price? Are people really going to be willing to spend the extra money to buy brand "x"'s model because of the video playback?

And finally what makes me laugh is that people are buying this and THEN finding out it won't "work" the way they want it to. Why are the retailers not telling the customer this on the front side? My dealers know because I beat it in their heads. They're not happy about it, but they know. It is the job of the person selling this item to inform someone of the new update. I can see the return rate on this thing getting out of control if people don't sell this right.

Since I would not buy one in the first place, I don't see the need of havng a video system in a car but thats beside the point
Id would have to say that everyone should take pioneer's example and make sure there DVD units not work while your driving

Now the Navagation is a whole separate issue, while yes its a good convenience to have Im more of the old school train of thought that one should pull the hell over and buy a map read it and memorize where you have to go

Theres my take on it

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the12volt wrote:

auex, not everyone that views this topic is a member (some views may even be from search engine bots) ...hence the ratio of votes to views.

I know, I was just trying to inspire/piss off the members that weren't voting.

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Sorry I guess my opinion doesn't count ;)

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This is like the biggest thing to shake the 12volt world in a while. I'm just thinking how much Pioneers putting their neck out. It might set a example for other manufacturers, who knows... Indashs might soon become a thing of the past???

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If a DVD can't be watched while driving, then whats the point? The driver should be in charge of whether or not he/she watches it or not. The Video is for passenger/s to watch most of the time anyway. It makes for an entertaining road trip instead of just the same old songs.

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And why should a blood achohol level be in place, the driver should know when they have had enough to be able to drive safely. And why have speed limits, we know how fast is too fast.

so true 12v_rep. If the video is truly for the passengers to view while driving, then an overhead screen, or headrest monitors would provide a much better viewing experience for said passengers. These would also provide for the use of headphones for the viewers to further reduce the distraction to the driver.

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And why have speed limits, we know how fast is too fast.

I have never understood that one at all, I hate speed limits nothing but taxation without representation
I get about 8 a year and my attorney gets them thown out of court all the time
What a waste of resources that could be put to use in so many other ways

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It says I cant vote either...But heres my take on it...

As an installer and a driver, I dont think people should watch them while driving but I dont think the Companies that produce the unit should take that option away from the person who purchases the product. It would be like buying a Ferrari and then learning that there is a speed govenor that only allows you to drive up to 70 MPHs....It should be our choice and our responsibility as adults NOT to drive down the road with the Newest Girls Gone Wild DVD playing and our eyes on some drunk chicks chest and not on the road....

I know that a lot of accidents have happened because of the GGW Vids and people wanting to see some drunk college girl show her small chest and not watch the road..But that is life and some people hold porn higher than saftey....

But I think that as long as the companies give us the option (IE the brake wire that most of us just ground :)....) that should suffice...

Whew my fingers are tired and the phone is ringing there was my dime...

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I guess the bottome line is; if the Ferrari did only 70 would you buy it? The ultimate vote would be on Pioneer's bank account. Because it does suck that you don't have the option, but doing the "right thing" isn't always the easiest thing to do, or so my parents say.

And yes, I am one of Snap-On's Most Wanted. God forbid they know I'm here.

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I think its a tremendous step forward, too many people get distracted while driving, on one hand.

But on the other, I have no experience with this unit in particular, how much of the nav does it affect. If you can't use the nav while you are driving, then whats the point of having nav, if you have to pull over to get directions, you just as soon stop at a convenient store and ask for directions and save yourself the $1300.

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I had to give a bit no vote as well. I agree with Pioneer int hat DVD playback should be disabled to the front screen while driving, but I think it's defeating the purpose of a NAV unit to require you to pull over every time you want to add a way point or change destinations. I normally have my "Co-pilot" sitting next to me make the changes and look up stuff while I drive.

Chad's right... If I have to pull over anyway, I'd much rather just ask a store clerk for directions as I buy a pack of smokes and a coke...

What about vehicle seatbelts? It's the law... You have to wear your seatbelt while driving.. Yet you are given the option of putting it one each time you get in your vehicle... If you choose not to, you can get a ticket or killed in a crash... I see mobile audio safety being of the same nature. Same thing with vehicle speed... no matter where you live in the US, it is illegal to drive 90mph... why can some vehicles do 130+? Heck, motorcycles can do in excess of 190!!!! It's illegal and unsafe right? But at least you have the choice... The market the N1/N2 is aimed at is relatively small. Who is going to drop $2k on a head unit? Professionals and enthusiasts. Pioneer's impact on driving safety is minimal in this effort... IMHO....

I wonder if the new AVIC-D1 allows you to use your NAV controls while in motion. It doesn't support DVD playback, so maybe no "safety" features? I haven't gotten to play with this unit yet, so maybe some of you retail folk can shed some light...

Everyone keeps saying that people should be allowed to make intelligent decisions. Fact is, most people make decisions that are anything but intelligent. I don't want to be killed by some Honda driving fast and the furious kid's "intelligent" decisions. I wouldn't buy one because of the NAV not working while in motion, but it makes me feel safer knowing that other people have them.

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Now on topic.... I just installed an N2 into a 300C and the customer was aware of the differences in the N2 and N1. He still went with the N2. I personally wouldnt but thats why they make different units. If you want Nav and front seat video buy an N1 or buy some other companies product. I for one am getting the avh-p7500dvd because I want 5.1. If you dont like it then I wouldnt buy it. SImple as that. There are plenty other great units out there.

Do I think its right that they are doing this?.........No, I think it should be up to the owner to make the decision. There will always be law breakers and people that make stupid decisions behind the wheel. I think that this will only hurt the units sales. Which is unfotunate because the N1 was VERY popular.

I voted Against what Alpine is doing because I do do not like being treated like a child or the "Dumbing Down of Americans".

Like a lot of folks here already said, I would not buy it. Pioneer will lose a huge amount of potential $$$$$ because salespersons will soon be forced to tell customers the "exact features" instead of lying or (not completely explaining) just to sell. And all of us here already know whats up. Plus the N1 won't be available soon, you can count on that.

For the people who are saying that passengers will be more comfortable with rear monitors : I prefer to have just one unit and it absolutely has to be mounted "Stealth" FUQQ Insurance claims! I don't want my window broken at all! My Alpine is mounted in my glovebox and slides out on tracks a couple of inches for screen to come up. Taps into my CDA7995 via aux input. Everyone in my car has to watch that screen and it works fine. I have a crappy clip on monitor that temporarily goes on for back seat use, but nothing stays.

EIther way, that is not what is really important here. We "the people who like mobile audio/video, especially high end" are not retarded. You can be distracted in your car a million more ways than watching a DVD. Remember those crazy car insurance commercials a while back? If anything, the manufacturer should include a release of liability form for the customer to sign that waives any manufacturer's responsibility in case of an accident. You can buy up to 500 horsepower of Nitrous Oxide and bolt it right on but the manufacturer doesn't limit it's use. Very Fun, but far more dangerous in my opinion.

Just be Responsibe and don't masturbate while driving! It's just common sense.

I know at least 20 people with DVD's in dash and nobody has even come close to having a wreck. And some of them play XXX music videos (relate to GGW Videos) and it is never an issue. Maybe if seeing the tits are causing the accidents then DVD manufactures should include a book of nude shots to let the apparent sexually inexperienced/ or virgin see some before he gets in trouble driving under the influence D.U.I.T. posted_image

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BTW, I wouldn't buy the Pioneer anyways because I think their sound quality sucks ad they seem to pick up interference and fail way too much. The only thing they had going was the really cool nav feature which we use in my friends caddy regularly. And as someone earlier said, the passenger is or should be in charge of the navigation system. If you need to use it then pull over.

Also, you can just put in the address and it will talk you there( verbally tell you how to get there just like a live person does at On-Star for GM owners)

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i believe that it is non of the manufactures business what people do with their products and when. distractions while driving are a bad thing but i think i could name a few distractions that are worse than a movie playing on a 7 inch screen. Yall ever seen someone reading a book or worse yet the newspaper while driving. what a bout eating and drinking while driving, some people even have trouble navigating their fm radios to a station they want to hear. I think that if a person is abusing comon sense then they diserve whatever reprocutions they get. Plus how many people do yall know that have been in accidents because of their tvs? I think that a person pulled over on the side of the road or an auto accident is more of adistraction that a freakin little tv.
And has anyone seen these new outdoor lcd displays that bars and companys are getting as billboards. these freajkin things are bright and like 42 inches. Y not sue them for distractions?

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Plus how many people do yall know that have been in accidents because of their tvs?

Uh... There was a guy in Alaska charged with murder. He was found not guilty but still.

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I got a funny story. I have four tv's in my car I was always worried about driving while watching. So when the movies were playing I would not look at it while i was driving. THe irony in my story is that one day I was behind a guy with tvs and I was looking at his rear headrest tv's when for one second that I looked while the guy was turing left I hit a center meadian and popped my side airbag and bent my rim . My point is it the measures that other companys are doing should be enough it in the end is ultimately the responsiblity of the driver. THere are a million things that could distract a driver.

I think Hornshockey is right on viewing DVD's by passengers. The primary purpose of preventing the driver from viewing DVD's while driving is to prevent accidents. There was a case up in Alaska not too long ago where a driver who was viewing a DVD while his Bronco was in motion nearly got held liable for killing a family when he drove over a median. The prosecution said that he did so because he wasn't paying attention, but watching his movie. It's the same problem with people who use cell phones while driving. The hands-free kit's don't help by freeing up a hand; you're still distracted. That's the purpose behind Pioneer's push for this new component to the AVIC.

Also, if Pioneer makes it easy for such an accident to happen again by allowing a driver to watch DVD's while driving, and the driver doesn't get held liable, the manufacturer can be because they're the ones who made it easy for the accident to happen in the first place.

I for one am in agreeance with Pioneer's attempt to make it safer for drivers and others on the road, and I think their way of going about it is not only innovative, but still allowing entertainment for rear-seat passengers is pretty cool too. I know that not everyone agrees with me on this, but the safer it is for me on the road, the happier I am. I've got kids to worry about now, and I definately don't want someone coming across the road straight at me because they're watching The Fifth Element on the way to Waterworld, talking on their new hands-free car kit they just installed.

My only hope is that other manufacturers follow Pioneer's example. I don't have a problem using the navigation. In fact, I kinda like it. I still spend a lot on maps, but sometimes there's no replacement for GPS, especially when you're really lost. Maps don't help too much when you're scared and stranded on the bad side of town, and plugging in the address, pressing start, and going sure does help alleviate the tension! With the amount of driving I do, the GPS has helped me save a little money on maps, but I still make sure to get a map when I get into a new area, more often than not just to familiarize myself with the roads, and supplement that with the GPS to speed things up. The turn-by-turn directions sure do help.

Everyone brings up the point that there are a million things that could distract a driver cellphone, babies, etc. But should that be an excuse to add one more distraction? Why make it a million and one when we can just keep it at a million? Isn't it common sense that if something can be prevented we should prevent it? I'm a kid of the electronics age just like everyone else in here. And I love the gizmos and gadjets just as much as the next guy. But it's safety we're talking about. Like I said before; it's not about how safely you drive with your indash, it's about how safely the guy behind you is. And I'll be damned if I trust any of you driving your SUV's with your indashes. Heck, chances are I've probably fliped some of you off in traffic.

Bottom line; I trust myself having an indash monitor, I don't trust anyone else.

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If distraction is the issue... then I think it should be ilegal to have video playing on any screen visable from outside the vehicle. How many times have you caught yourself paying attention to what's playing in the vehicle next/ahead of you instead of watching where you're going? it's definately a distraction, right?

Just food for thought...

You are an idiot if you can't see the difference between having a movie playing in front of you and seeing a monitor in another car. I see them all the time, but big deal I have seen thousands and I don't care to watch what the kids in the back seat are watching.

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auex, I kinda agree with rtcarlin. If the soccer mom in front of you is playing Baby Einstien for the kids I don't care to watch, hell I see enough of it here at home. But if the guy in Denali is rolling around with a 15" drop down playing porn, I might glance over...and don't say you wouldn't because we already agreed we have that little thing in common posted_image

. That is a real touchy area. While I am for RSP watching videos, I think there should be a law about what is being played on any visible monitor.

In some states there are laws against it, being that it is technically in the public.

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auex]Y wrote:

u are an idiot if you can't see the difference between having a movie playing in front of you and seeing a monitor in another car. I see them all the time, but big deal I have seen thousands and I don't care to watch what the kids in the back seat are watching.

So you're saying it's not a distraction? I suppose that the majority of us out here aren't on your obviously superrior level of intellect as you are. If the general public is as stupid as you consistantly play them off to be, then I don't see why us "idiots" wouldn't try to watch what's going on in the car next to us. Especially if it includes a couple of double D's and some areobic action.

Look, there's laws regarding external lighting being a distraction.... Loud exhaust is considered a distraction... But in any case... This whole argument comes down to a matter of opinon. You just seem to feel the need to interject your opinon in every post on this board that contains "AVIC" in the title. Do us a favor and shut the hell up unless you have something constructive to say. All these 4 page long threads that end up way off topic are generally caused by you bitching about workarounds for the N1/N2. If you would leave your .02 out of it, the thread would die soon enough. We don't need to hear you preaching in every thread.

dang that was kinda harsh

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Auex,

I respect the fact that you are extremely wise in the ways of car entertainment. You've got a wealth of knowlege that you share freely with us on this board. For that, thank you....

Nah, its cool. But internal distractions(something you cause) as opposed to external distractions(something you have no control over), which one is more dangerous? It can be argued either way. IMO watching a movie is more dangerous then staring at a hot chick jogging down the road while driving. This thread was on it's way to dieing off, that is until you posted in it. Also, this is my thread/poll so I will interject when I see fit here. Nothing personal.

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I like to hear what auex has to say. Mainly because I think he says alot of it to see what idiot will argue against it. What's the saying..."Arguing on the internet is like running in the speical olympics. Even if you win, your still retarted."

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I like to hear what auex has to say. Mainly because I think he says alot of it to see what idiot will argue against it. What's the saying..."Arguing on the internet is like running in the speical olympics. Even if you win, your still retarted."

Geez.. In that case, we all should be able to get all those prime parking spaces next to the litle ramps everywhere! :P

And Auex, funny you mention that because when I was in my senior year of HS (a looong time ago) my buddy jumped the curb and took out a bus stop sign while checking out some bikini clad girlies doing a charity car wash...

Now on that note... I'm on my way out the door for a "guy's night out"... Think I'll take "Girls Gone Wild Vol 23432" for the ride there..... posted_image

Hell I agree with Pioneer, I can't wait till this lil puppy is in my store. Being the only installer for the company there is nothing worse then hearing "is there anyway u can play the video while driving?". "The sales man said u know how to do it.. ect ect" All i do is hand them the book and tell them to do some reading. This is awesome!! Can't wait!. Its Backordered now so a few more weeks. But i agree with ya Auex, the morons out there that think they can watch a movie, talk on the cell phone and drive at the same time, they need to all be slapped. I have a hard enough time driving with the chicks around :p. Neways about time one of the manufactures stepped up and made a real change.

That makes no sense at all... It only takes a split second to get into an accident...So whether it be inside or outside a split second is a split second.

My top post wat directed to this post "Nah, its cool. But internal distractions(something you cause) as opposed to external distractions(something you have no control over), which one is more dangerous? It can be argued either way. IMO watching a movie is more dangerous then staring at a hot chick jogging down the road while driving. This thread was on it's way to dieing off, that is until you posted in it. Also, this is my thread/poll so I will interject when I see fit here. Nothing personal."

It was interesting reading all of the comment but this is ultimately going to be a market-driven decision. If I am going to shell out $1500+ for a HU, I want all of the feature including being to able to watch DVD while I am driving, and complete control of the Navigation at all time. I am predicting that the N-2 sales won't come close to the N-1 and Pioneer will re-think their strategy of this market segment. I am guessing the margin on the AVICs is a lot more than any other car audio equiments they are selling so they have to decide how to market the AVIC based on financial versus any other BS such as consumer's safety and such. Don't ever let any company feeding you any BS about how much they care about your safety.

So Pioneer is either going to get out of the segment or come up with a way to 'make the customer' happy. It's all about the benjamin.

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If I am going to shell out $1500+ for a HU, I want all of the feature including being to able to watch DVD while I am driving

Well, the problem with your logic is that it is NOT a feature of the unit to watch it while driving. It is illegal.

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This is one of those issues where I dont think either side is going to budge. The people that say watching video while driving is dangerous is always going to say that and the people that say it should be left up to them is their choice. My only response to this is I hear the argument of "Its my life, my car so it should be my choice". The problem there is that things like wearing your seatbelt is the same thing. Its your car, your life and your choice but if you gget caught you are getting ticketed. The car manufactures are made to put those seatbelts in the car to PROTECT YOU. I think you guys are going to see this become a common thing and that witin a couple years all the manufactures are going to be doing this and there is nothing you can do to stop it. nguyenk said that if he was going to pay 1500 bucks for a indash deck then he want all the features to work all the time. Well I got news for ya, the saftey brake lock out IS A FEATURE of this system and is how its designed to work.

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to watch tv while driving put a switch on the reverse wire and loop the video out to the rear view camera input

Forgive my lack of knowledge here. I am thinking about getting the Double Din Kenwood and think it is very cool. I am OK with not watching TV while driving, people on cell phones not paying attention is bad enough these days.
My question is, does the Video Out to Secondary Monitors get turned off also? Does this mean my kids can't watch TV while I am driving?

I highly doubt auex wanted this topic to turn into a how-to on bypassing these safty features.

Lyle, your safe with the Kenwood.

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I have read some of the more recent post and my only thought is this, it is your choice and should only be the driver's decision...IF...you can promise you will only hit unoccupied vehicles or a tree or a large rock and harm or kill only yourself. Until you can say for certain, beyond a shadow of a doubt that you will NOT kill someone if you hit them while watching your in-dash, you should not have a choice. The chances are probably slim that someone will wreck, but even at slim that means there is still a chance. Your choice to watch a DVD while driving is superceded by my choice to keep my family alive.

i have to laugh at the people using the analogy that watching video while driving is the same as using a seatbelt.... seatbelts are put in vehicles to protect you... whereas the safety video lockout feature is there to protect others!!

we just had a case here in Western Canada within the last 2 years where a semi driver wiped out a family of five because he was watching a movie while driving, rammed them from behind and drove them into oncoming traffic.....

if you choose not to wear a seatbelt and you get strained thru your windshield...too bad for you.... but if you choose to watch a movie while driving and smash into another car, possibly injuring or killing someone else's child or children... it's too bad for them..... as someone already so elequently stated here, you wouldnt masturbate and drive, you'd wait till you got home, so why not do the same for watching a movie??

and before you all bash me as some video hating dinosaur... i do have a video system in my SUV with headrest monitors for my backseat passengers to enjoy while i drive.....

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