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Bypass lockout on AVIC-N2, AVIC-D1

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Topic: Bypass lockout on AVIC-N2, AVIC-D1

Posted By: AutoNavguy
Subject: Bypass lockout on AVIC-N2, AVIC-D1
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 9:29 PM

Hope this is OK to make a clean post of this, but alot of people are asking about this and the multi-page threads are not so clear.  It contains some updated information from the original rec.audio.car post, as well.

Below are instructions on how to bypass the lockouts on the Pioneer AVIC-N2 and AVIC-D1.  It is real simple, and does not require any complex switches or anything.  We figure these are service or testing modes, and were not intended to become public.  Our Pioneer guy claims to not know anything about it, but who knows, that may just be a line.

This bypass will do three things:
1. Makes all nav functions available while driving (just like they should be)
2. Make video playback available while driving
3. No more parking brake warning box!!!

AVIC-N2 lockout bypass:  Underneath the MAIN unit (not the hideaway) is a small silver sticker, peel this back.  There are two contacts with the label "R197".  Drop a bit of solder between these to connect them. Also, you must ground the Parking Brake wire.

AVIC-D1 lockout bypass:  Find an extra Pioneer wire harness, and pull one of the wires out.  Or, if you do not use the A.ANT lead, pull that out of the harness.  In the AVIC-D1 harness, there is one open spot on the connector (next to the ground wire). Put the wire into the open spot on the connector, connect the other side to ground, then re-connect the plug to the AVIC-D1. Also, you must ground the Parking Brake wire (or connect to a toggle switch if you feel the need).

Thats it, all there is to it, and all the lockouts are bypassed.  Easy, give it a try. 




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Posted By: useridzero
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 2:18 AM

It worked!  And like a charm, too! Just tried it in my 05 Chevy Colorado, nice! Now if I could only figure out where to connect the speed signal lead. posted_image

By the way, the AVIC-D1 fits perfectly into Colorado's and Canyon. If you have a factory Chevy XM receiver on your roof, you can gut the existing antenna and place the new smaller antenna’s within the plastic housing. Remount and run the wires back to the dash, looks totally factory.





Posted By: 12V_REP
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 7:27 AM
I am going to post this in both threads regarding this topic. Please keep in mind that the alledged bypass will void your warranty on the N2 if you try it. I am not confirming that it will work, but if you try it you have just voided your warranty. Pioneer is aware of this rumor and I am sure they will take steps to assure they are not taking returns that have been tampered with. Just food for thought.

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Posted By: useridzero
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 4:01 PM

I'm not too worried. Pioneer’s support is a joke anyways. After my $1,500 Pioneer Elite THX home theater receiver locked-up after only 6 months of use, I called Pioneer support number for direction. Bottom line, they refused to help me because I didn't purchase the product from one of their "sponsored" retailers (such as Best Buy, Circuit City, Tweeter...) In short, if you buy Pioneer equipment over the internet, excluding Crutchfield's, there is no Pioneer warranty anyway. And this message came from two different Pioneer support reps. They also mentioned that Pioneer’s stance on this issue is in direct result of a growing grey market boom that plagues them. Maybe this constitutes the huge price difference between retail Pioneer goods and internet Pioneer goods. Not sure.

Anyhow, I appreciate the heads up. Thanks.





Posted By: granpa yum
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 7:16 PM

pioneers support is pretty awful, but thanks for the heads up anyway. i can confirm that this does work on the d1, and it works well. now we just need to figure out how to stop the "hey dont watch av and gps while youre driving!!" screens from coming up EVERY SINGLE TIME





Posted By: dwhs
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 11:28 PM

Worked great, I just connected the new wire and the power brake wire together and grounded them both.

posted_image Thanks,





Posted By: algutkin
Date Posted: August 11, 2005 at 4:21 PM

IF you do this, you are really looking for trouble. It doesn't work, it is a scam, probably invented by the Pioneer sabatage team. The more units you break, the more you have to buy.

Reason this out:

What kind of solder technique requires the dropping of solder on a printed circut board? If you want to experiment, take off the tape covering the 197 pins, what do you see? You see two pins with come dark stuff around them. Know what this dark stuff is? It is insulating wax. You drop hot solder on this and it will melt. If it melts, the solder won't stick. If the solder won't stick,then the solder will ball up and fall into the inside of the unit. If the loose solder falls to the inside of the unit it might short out something. If it shorts out something, the unit will be scrap.

To answer your silent question, how do I know? Answer: I know, because I was dumb enough to try this. I did the whole procedure which resulted in complete failure and the potential for permanently ruining my unit. Thank goodness and some extremely good luck, I was able to get out the solder and save the unit. I'm a bored electronic type guy with money to waste on this stuff, are you? If not, don't do it. It's really stupid and this type of stuff is not taught in electronic school, soldering 101.

If these pins were used for anything important, Pioneer would have  a fixture that plugs into the opeining underneath the silver tape and makes contact with the pins. Ask yourself why would Pioneer do this to bypass anything?  All they have to do is put the unit on a bench, short out the brake wire and they can run any simulation they want, the unit is not moving ,is it? Nothing is locked out. I suspect that pioneer uses these pins to flash an eprom that has nothing to do with bypass stuff. Perhaps they use these pins for a diagnostic bench test of the circuit. In any case, don't be stupid like me, think first.

algutkin





Posted By: algutkin
Date Posted: August 11, 2005 at 4:33 PM

more BS that will help reason this out.

Years ago the rage was to hack Direct TV cards. Directv got smart and started to do thier own sabatage. They caused the hacked cards to crash, they raided the businesses that sold the hacking hardware, they posted crap on hacking web sites. One of the things they posted after they ran software to crash the hacked cards was a method to fix the cards. However once the cards were fixed by this method, they never could be used again.

Here is what the method was:

Use an exacto knife and scrape off the protective coating that covers the chip on the card. Expose some contacts and short out the chip. I was dumb enough to do this, along with many others. We all had to buy new Direct TV cards. The good thing was that the Direct TV cards were selling on Ebay for 20 bucks. Ask yourself ,how much does a new Pioneer Avic N2 cost? If you want to spend the $1200 plus for a new AViC N2, then by all means try  shorting the 197 pins, just don't tell your wife. I guarantee a wife will not understand, and it will just give them more ammunition to blast us dumb men.

algutkin





Posted By: 12V_REP
Date Posted: August 11, 2005 at 4:39 PM
Pioneer sabatage team


LOL!!! I didn't know Pioneer employed such a team.

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Posted By: Majestyk
Date Posted: August 11, 2005 at 6:06 PM

OK does this really work or not? I can't wait to try but I don't want to screw anything up.

Thanks





Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: August 12, 2005 at 12:06 AM
4 posts from a new member and all suggesting NOT modding the N2, hmmmmmmmmm

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Shaughn Murley
Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta




Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: August 12, 2005 at 8:36 AM

extreme1 wrote:

4 posts from a new member and all suggesting NOT modding the N2, hmmmmmmmmm

Yes, but 2 posts from a new member saying that it DOES WORK ???  hmmmmmmmmm



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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 12, 2005 at 1:36 PM
Nice to see the new members have some common sense.

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Certified Security Specialist
Always check info with a digital multimeter.
I promise to be good.
Tell Darwin I sent you.

I've been sick lately, sorry I won't be on much.




Posted By: granpa yum
Date Posted: August 12, 2005 at 3:48 PM

auex]N wrote:

ce to see the new members have some common sense.

im a new member and i wouldnt try the n2 mod but i did the d1 mod and i can guarantee it works. not like that means much, im just some guy on the internet.





Posted By: bboypuertorock
Date Posted: August 12, 2005 at 5:04 PM
I wont try it unless a moderator or someone who has been here a while accually has some kinda proof of this working.




Posted By: useridzero
Date Posted: August 12, 2005 at 11:53 PM

Oh my god. The Pioneer police are coming!!! Hide, hide!
 
Yes, the D1 mod works. But don't do anything you don't feel comfortable doing. Frankly, I did it and I don't even have a video system. I did it to get rid of the nag screens and open-up some of the options. My parking brake didn't work as their system suggested, so I had to ground the lead out anyways...
 
P.S. DON'T watch TV while driving!





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: August 15, 2005 at 9:04 PM
I am new so I am sure I will be acused of being the ringleader of the new and improved sabatoge team, but I have done three N2s now and it works great for me, just as described in the original instructions.  Not sure what the deal was with that one guys getting messed up, but it worked perfectly for me and the rest of the sabatoge team :-)




Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: August 15, 2005 at 10:59 PM

bboypuertorock wrote:

I wont try it unless a moderator or someone who has been here a while accually has some kinda proof of this working.

I'm a Pioneer dealer and if the customer wants to do this they can, but I'm not going to warranty it and netiher will Pioneer if something goes wrong. It's no different than trying to mod your PS2 and you screw up. You end up buying an expensive paper weight, but please don't come back to me expecting warranty.



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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: gadfly
Date Posted: August 17, 2005 at 12:18 AM

Can anyone validate that the D1 bypass works?

Ron





Posted By: trunknuts
Date Posted: August 17, 2005 at 1:24 AM
algutkin wrote:

IF you do this, you are really looking for trouble. It doesn't work, it is a scam, probably invented by the Pioneer sabatage team. The more units you break, the more you have to buy.

algutkin


Ha! Ha! Ha!

Yet another bitter "tech guy" with nothing better to do. Are you serious? Sabatage team? Give me a break.

This does work. I have a D1 and it works great. As far as the N2 is concerned, it has a bypass so that the techs can simulate driving conditions while on a bench.

By the way, anytime you bypass video equipment or modify ANY manufacturers' product, you guessed it, you void the warranty. Do the manufacturers count on you doing this for their profit. I really don't think so. Think about what you say in the future before you look like an @$$ !!!





Posted By: kinger402
Date Posted: August 17, 2005 at 9:35 PM
This thread has motivated me to join this forum because I want to learn the truth. I see all of these people with one or two posts in their post count claiming that this Hack works. Who can tell me to go ahead and try this that has some kind of reputation on this board




Posted By: BLklsc
Date Posted: August 18, 2005 at 11:46 PM
I priced the D1 from Tweeters and the salesman told me this unit can't view DVD Movies because of some law suit. Question: after performing the mod; does that allow DVD movies to play on the screen?


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If man can build it, man can hack it.




Posted By: trunknuts
Date Posted: August 18, 2005 at 11:50 PM

BLklsc wrote:

I priced the D1 from Tweeters and the salesman told me this unit can't view DVD Movies because of some law suit. Question: after performing the mod; does that allow DVD movies to play on the screen?

No, the D1 does not have an onboard DVD drive for DVD movies so you would have to use an external DVD player.  





Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 19, 2005 at 9:45 AM
trunknuts wrote:

No, the D1 does not have an onboard DVD drive for DVD movies so you would have to use an external DVD player.  



Correct, it only plays dvdrom.

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Always check info with a digital multimeter.
I promise to be good.
Tell Darwin I sent you.

I've been sick lately, sorry I won't be on much.




Posted By: slab42
Date Posted: August 19, 2005 at 6:32 PM
ok, believe me or not, but after reading this thread, I wanted to try it, but not on my friends unit (i have an N1, so i don't need to do it anyway) soooo, when my boss said, hey put an N2 on display, and try that trick... I said OK!  it worked great, and then my friend came by with his, we popped it out, and soldered good ol R197 and we tested every feature that was locked out before... they all worked flawlessly!  Movies, Nav use, and no parking brake warning screen.  however, the lawyer screen still appears before you use nav, just like it does on the N1.  I know I don't have many posts here, but I have enough to assure you that I am not on the infamous "pioneer sabotage team" lol, wow, I bet that guy wears armadillo helmets too!




Posted By: ltrains
Date Posted: August 19, 2005 at 6:57 PM
hey people, i recently bought avicn2 on ebay for 900 with xm.. but it didn't came with navi cds.. i installed to my jeep but i didnt get a chance to wire the parking nor the speed sensor.. i did do the soldering under the unit.. i think i did the job but it still doesn't play dvds''.. any idea how i could tap into the parking and speed sensor.. thanks

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grand cherokee 97 4.0
avic n2 with cdr11 remote and xm..




Posted By: algutkin
Date Posted: August 19, 2005 at 9:35 PM

Jeeze you got a great deal, an Avic N2 without CDs and it doesn't work, all for $900. You could have bought a new or refurb Avic N2 for $150.00 more from 12 Volt on EBay, comes with a warantee, two disks, and looks to be the same as new. If I were you, I'd pull the unit, put it back in the box, coil up the wires, sell it on EBay and recover as much of the $900 as you can. Then start all over again and buy a unit from an EBay seller that sells new or refurb. radios. You could spend the rest of your life trying to get this unknown unit to work. From what you wrote, you do not sound like radio tech.

OK , if you insist on keeping the bargain unit,  I wouldn't touch anything until I got those disks. I think the system needs a disk when you originally fire the unit up. The disk initializes the system and performs some tests. In my opinion,  you are a long way from doing any bypass stuff. You may not have even hooked up the unit correctly. Perhaps you should sit down, organize your thoughts a little more before you jump into anything more than getting the unit to work in a stock configuration.

When  you buy a new computer, all assembled, do you replace the internal cards before you even check to see it the computer actually works? Do you start soldering the mother board before you even plug the computer in? Do you try to start the computer before you even hook up the monitor or keyboard? If you did, you would find that the computer needs the keyboard and monitor in order to work. Same with the Avic N2. I think It needs a disk in order to tell it to be smart. Then, you can pull the disk out later. In ordinary terms,  the Avic's eprom needs to be flashed with an operating system, I believe the disk does that.

Good Luck

Al

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Posted By: ltrains
Date Posted: August 20, 2005 at 12:53 AM
ok person.. i don't need a lesson from you.. i just need some advice on what i should do next.. i did get the cds before i purchase the unit so calm down.. the unit works perfect so i aint going do no refund and buy another one.. now all i need to know what should i do next for the bypass if you could help

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grand cherokee 97 4.0
avic n2 with cdr11 remote and xm..




Posted By: ltrains
Date Posted: August 20, 2005 at 12:53 AM
ok person.. i don't need a lesson from you.. i just need some advice on what i should do next.. i did get the cds before i purchase the unit so calm down.. the unit works perfect so i aint going do no refund and buy another one.. now all i need to know what should i do next for the bypass if you could help

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grand cherokee 97 4.0
avic n2 with cdr11 remote and xm..




Posted By: ltrains
Date Posted: August 20, 2005 at 12:54 AM
ok person.. i don't need a lesson from you.. i just need some advice on what i should do next.. i did get the cds before i purchase the unit so calm down.. the unit works perfect so i aint going do no refund and buy another one.. please no sarcaism because i'm asking very nice for you guys too help out a friend.. now all i need to know what should i do next for the bypass if you could help.. i would appeciate it alot..

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grand cherokee 97 4.0
avic n2 with cdr11 remote and xm..




Posted By: pcguy760
Date Posted: August 20, 2005 at 5:00 AM

kinger402 wrote:

This thread has motivated me to join this forum because I want to learn the truth. I see all of these people with one or two posts in their post count claiming that this Hack works. Who can tell me to go ahead and try this that has some kind of reputation on this board

Haha, same here! Infact, I was going to buy a N1 because of this issue with the N2, but now I heard of this and everyday I keep hearing more and more news about this mod working so well - I decided to give it a shot and go with the N2. Should have it here by end of next week and I will come back and let you guys know how the mod worked out for me.





Posted By: algutkin
Date Posted: August 20, 2005 at 9:52 AM

Pcguy and others: this is a honest analysis and the best information available. I copied this from another thread that you may not have seen. I posted this information from my own testing of various Avic N1 and N2 units. As you already know, the N1 is easy to bypass, the N2 is in the advanced experimentation stage of bypass technology.

This is a copy of my research posted elsewhere on 12 volt forums.

This is an update to my own previous posting.

This is a summary and my opinion of the bypass solutions:

The various switch installations These methods work, but involve intalling variations of additional relays or toggle switches. These methods enable the watching of DVDs while in motion, howver, in some variations, the video is patched through the backup camera port. A disclaimer appears on the screen and entering navigation data while moving is questionable.

The dripping solder method using the R197 pins covered by silver tape on the bottom side of the display unit:

This method is the absolute best method, it really does open up the use of the unit without restriction or disclaimers on the screen. The dowside is your ability to solder a jumper between two tiny pins that can only be accessed through a factory access hole in the bottom of the unit. The pins are surrounded by wax which will melt when hot. If the wax melts too much, the pins will be covered and you will not be able to solder. I know, I tried it the first time and failed.

Using some other device to jump the 197 pins:

After the first failure at soldering, I got a new radio and tried using a less permanent method, a screw attached to packing tape. I attached it to tape so that it would be held in place in the access hole and would not fall inside the radio. This method worked, but, I scrapped the idea because it was too much trouble and the screw could come loose. I decided to re-visit the solder method, and devise a better way than dripping the molten solder.

The latest new and improved 197 solder method which almost anyone can do:

1. Uncover the access hole by removing the silver tape on the underside of the display unit. You will see R197 printed over two tiny pins.

2. Put some rubbing alcohol on a small piece of paper towel, wrap it around a small screw driver, and clean the 197 pins so excess wax will be removed.

3. Cut a small piece of sanding paper and using the screw driver rub it over the pins so the solder will have a better chance of sticking.

4. Take some thin electrical wire, must be a size smaller than number 18, strip the insulation back 1/16 inch, and prepare the stripped end by adding solder.

5. Use a soldering iron that has a pointed end. I ground mine down on a grinder to make sure it would easily fit into the access hole and still enable me to see.

6. Holding the wire in your left hand, place the soldered end between the two 197 pins, insert the soldering iron and carefully heat the end of the wire like you are soldering it to the pins. Three things will happen. You will solder the wire to the pins, which is fine. Some solder will drip off and short the pins, which is fine. Or, you will fail, nothing will be harmed if you don't melt the wax. Very little solder is needed. If the wire sticks to the pins, fine, clip the wire off and make sure no bare ends touch the case.

I took my time using method six, the unit now allows unrestricted use.

In all cases I grounded the emergency brake wire, don't know if I had to, but, did it anyway.

You may be violating state law by messing with the radio and watching DVDs while driving. Do this at your own risk.

If you don't know how to solder, or fail at jumping the 197 pins, and you screw  up your radio, welcome to the club. That is what testing is all about. If you don't want to take the chance, don't touch the radio. Enjoy it in the stock configuration. This is my last post...until somone figures out something better. My other two Avics are now modified, mission accomplished. I can now watch music videos while stuck in CA traffic, rolling along at ten miles per hour.



Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: August 20, 2005 at 1:40 PM

Just ground the parking brake wire and it should play DVDs or you soldered wrong.  The speed sense has nothing to do with the bypass, only increases the accuracy of the navigation and vehicle dynamics

ltrains wrote:

hey people, i recently bought avicn2 on ebay for 900 with xm.. but it didn't came with navi cds.. i installed to my jeep but i didnt get a chance to wire the parking nor the speed sensor.. i did do the soldering under the unit.. i think i did the job but it still doesn't play dvds''.. any idea how i could tap into the parking and speed sensor.. thanks





Posted By: topspoiler
Date Posted: August 21, 2005 at 4:05 AM
Did anyone try this on the Pioneer N2?




Posted By: kinger402
Date Posted: August 21, 2005 at 10:38 AM
Finally got the balls to try this and it works perfectly on the D1...however you must ground the parking brake...




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: August 21, 2005 at 2:22 PM

Yes.  Do a little soldering; and ground the greenish wire.

topspoiler wrote:

Did anyone try this on the Pioneer N2?





Posted By: pcguy760
Date Posted: August 22, 2005 at 1:11 AM

Thanks algutkin - Can you believe people are trying to sell this info that you just gave us?! Well I finally managed to win a Brand New sealed N2 on Ebay for $1150. I seen some a little cheaper but the sellers feedback ratings kinda made me nervous with something that I gotta pay that much for. Still not bad for $1150 eh?

As mentioned, once I get it and do the mod, I will let everyone know how it turned out. posted_image





Posted By: robturano
Date Posted: August 22, 2005 at 12:41 PM
I ran toggle switch on brake for nav bypass, for vidio I ran the ext. video feed to n2 via camra port and toggled camera and vid

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Rob




Posted By: jeremyjerm
Date Posted: August 22, 2005 at 2:30 PM
AND NOW YOU WATCH VIDEOS WITH A WARNING LABEL ON THEM CONSTANTLY! NICE BYPASS.




Posted By: algutkin
Date Posted: August 22, 2005 at 9:16 PM

PCGuy760:

I think I was the guy bidding against you. That is,  if it was the unit being sold by the outfit in Corona, CA.  My next bid had to be $1175.00 so I quit. I'm not into driving up the price for the next guy.  The radio is a good deal at $1150.00.

I personally think the N2s are going up in price as we get closer to Chrismas, so I thought that stocking up would be good for some extra bucks. I wouldn't sell the bypass info, or sell radios that had been bypassed, that is just looking for a future law suit, if not from some damaged person, it might come from Pioneer themselves. Selling bypass info or bypassed radios might put Pioneer in some kind of legal jeopardy. I bet they fix the R197 pins on the future units they manufacture.

good luck with the install, you got a good deal on that radio.

Al





Posted By: ltrains
Date Posted: August 23, 2005 at 12:52 AM
how to ground the parking wire.. do you just wire on it to any thing..

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grand cherokee 97 4.0
avic n2 with cdr11 remote and xm..




Posted By: pcguy760
Date Posted: August 23, 2005 at 2:41 AM
algutkin wrote:

PCGuy760:

I think I was the guy bidding against you. That is,  if it was the unit being sold by the outfit in Corona, CA.  My next bid had to be $1175.00 so I quit. I'm not into driving up the price for the next guy.  The radio is a good deal at $1150.00.

I personally think the N2s are going up in price as we get closer to Chrismas, so I thought that stocking up would be good for some extra bucks. I wouldn't sell the bypass info, or sell radios that had been bypassed, that is just looking for a future law suit, if not from some damaged person, it might come from Pioneer themselves. Selling bypass info or bypassed radios might put Pioneer in some kind of legal jeopardy. I bet they fix the R197 pins on the future units they manufacture.

good luck with the install, you got a good deal on that radio.

Al


LOL - this is funny to run into you - yeah I just checked it's the same seller and item hehe :).





Posted By: robturano
Date Posted: August 23, 2005 at 9:07 PM
    Well jeremyjerm, I took that into consideration when I made the decision to configure the system that way. However the intent for the ability to view video while driving was not quality of entertainment, as it was to glimps a perticular clip in a movie that the viewers in the back seat may bring to my attention. Or to catch a quik move from the playstation. You may be better served worrying about that pesky 18 wheeler,  telephone pole, motocycle and occational pedestrian, than a couple of little white words on the bottom of your screen.




Posted By: Go4DKil
Date Posted: August 23, 2005 at 10:08 PM
I have a N-1

If I upgrade with the new discs, will this bypass work on the N-1?

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Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: August 24, 2005 at 1:23 AM

Nope

Go4DKil wrote:

I have a N-1

If I upgrade with the new discs, will this bypass work on the N-1?





Posted By: bazzgazm
Date Posted: August 24, 2005 at 9:21 AM

Well, curiousity bit me.

I had an extra n2 lying around that was returned. missing some parts, so you can guess what i did. =)

of course i'm smart enough to figure out the guy was right. Boards are coated =) so.. I scraped away what i could, bought a tracing pen @ radio shack (3.99, better than solder when working on circuit boards) and made me a nice little connection.

get in the car, drive it. get on the road, 25-30-40-50 mph, still works, all the gps features are unlocked. everything. and so far, so good, we're testing it out in one of my guys cars.

you may say another newbie posting good news. but just so you know i am a supervisor @ best buy in virginia. Not trying to pull your chains. You can email me (Ask via private message and i'll tell you what you need to know i.e. real email address or whatever)  

as said, so far, so good. i'll update you if i have ANY problems. the key here is to remember to remove the coating off the board. otherwise, you can drop as much solder there as you want and it'll nEVER make contact.

if you look at the bottom of the n1, and use common sense.. the n1 has no opening as such. no covered up holes, no anything to access the board. Use your common sense, pioneer put this there for a reason. when i get a chance i'll call my pioneer representative and see what they know of this. I probably should have done that before but the avec was going to be sent back so why not put it to use? anyways. good luck you guys





Posted By: pcguy760
Date Posted: August 24, 2005 at 2:29 PM

Something tells me that Pioneer is gonna get rid of that R197 hack on the newer models or even newer N2's. posted_image

Does this mean that our (older)  AVIC-N2's will be worth like $5000? LOL. posted_image





Posted By: pcguy760
Date Posted: August 24, 2005 at 2:31 PM
whtcrxghst wrote:

Nope

Go4DKil wrote:

I have a N-1

If I upgrade with the new discs, will this bypass work on the N-1?


That Sucks. Guess you better keep the old discs ...





Posted By: algutkin
Date Posted: August 24, 2005 at 8:11 PM

Pcguy:

Probably won't be worth 5 grand, but the closer to Christmas it will sure be worth closer to the $ 2200 MSRP.  When it snows perhaps guys will make out in parked cars and try to convince those dumb girls that they are in the drive in.

The other side of the value equasion,  what  good is a unit that only works when it is parked? Can't even put he unit in your boat, the GPS function will kill the Video.  Censorship Sucks!

The worst part of the whole thing, I wouldn't sell a unit that has been soldered. Suppose the buyer screwed up the install and then claimed that you sold a defective used radio? So, it looks like we might be stuck with our soldered units. My motto, once the radio is installed, just sell the car and don't remove the radio. Not worth the trouble.





Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 24, 2005 at 8:18 PM
algutkin wrote:

Censorship Sucks!


How do you figure this is censorship?

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Posted By: bazzgazm
Date Posted: August 24, 2005 at 10:59 PM
Oh yeah. this unit is for nothing but trial. This will not be sold to a customer =) maybe if this proves to last it will be used on our personal cars. But other than that.. the gps unlock is the best part. i can type stuff now! YAY! not that i should be typing and driving either =) hehe... USe common sense whenever you do anything like this though.




Posted By: pig sti
Date Posted: August 25, 2005 at 7:47 PM
I've got a new D1 harness sitting here that I'd like to bypass. What's the easiest way to pull the antenna wire from the harness without damaging the pin?




Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: August 25, 2005 at 10:22 PM
use the mute wire, not the power antenna.

there's a little plastic tab that holds onto the wire.

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Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta




Posted By: pig sti
Date Posted: August 26, 2005 at 7:36 AM
Thanks - I'll look for the tab. The car it's going in has no power antenna though, but I do plan on installing a bluetooth car kit soon. :)




Posted By: algutkin
Date Posted: August 27, 2005 at 3:40 PM

Auex:

Human beings seem to be unable to accept responsibility for the stupid ,and sometimes, dangerous or  illegal things that they do. When these individuals exceed thier own personal limitations, their defense seems to be to blame thier own stupidity on others and contact an attorney. Consequently, the reactions and results that arise out of the ensueing litigation serves to be nothing more than censorship for the rest of us that know our own personal limitations,and stay within them.  

I am personally angered when somone or some group, that hasn't proved superior intellegence,  suceeds at censoring, or limiting, my life and freedom, as a result of others that cannot be responsible for their own actions.

If we continue to lower everyone's limits to those that make up the weakest link, mankind in general is going backward. Wouldn't it be better to help raise up the weakest link.

For example: You get into an accident while watchin the car video or playing with the GPS. The penalty is that you are personally forbidden from having children, cell phones, makeup, or food in your automobile. You also must attend 40 hours of traffic school with extra courses on mental multitasking. You also must drive with two hands on wheel at all times, keeping the ten and two position. If you cannot pass a eye hand coordination and reaction test, your driving priviledge will be withdrawn.

Censorship says nothing more than "Since stupid uncoordinated weak minded people cannot do something without causing danger to themselves or those around them, we must stop everyone from being able to do that particular something".

That is why I used the word censorship.

My hat it off to those of us that are mentally and pysically able to determine for ourselves when it's time to put down the cell phone, ditch the makeup, close the Avic display, stop hitting the kids in the back seat, and for God's sake, when we should stop trying to drink hot over filled Starbucks.  





Posted By: tromar1
Date Posted: August 27, 2005 at 9:52 PM
Majestyk wrote:

OK does this really work or not? I can't wait to try but I don't want to screw anything up.

Thanks


Yes it works.  I just had it done yesterday.  I was skeptical at first when my installer told me about the fix....I had them promise not to mess up my N2.  Took the installer less than 30 mins to do it.  I was still skeptical until I was doing 80 on my way home and tested the system.   





Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 27, 2005 at 11:14 PM
algutkin wrote:

If we continue to lower everyone's limits to those that make up the weakest link, mankind in general is going backward. Wouldn't it be better to help raise up the weakest link.


Actually that is Darwin's job. Our job is to see that they don't take out any other people with them. Majority over minority.

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Posted By: algutkin
Date Posted: August 28, 2005 at 12:22 AM

Back to the discussion on Bypassing the Pioneer AVIC N2s lockout on certain imputs when the vehicle is traveling more than 5 MPH.

The pin soldering method seems to work, I have completed the task on  three of my own radios. I have a vehicle that contains the first radio that I screwed up the bypass soldering, so when I did the others, I simply removed the screwed up radio and inserted the newly bypassed in order to perform my success test. Well, mybe it's coincedence, but I noticed that the bypassed radio seemed to run hotter. The underside of the bypassed radio seemed to be warmer than the radio that was not bypassed. I have not had the opportunity to test the bypassed radios on long trips, or continued long term usage.

Has anyone been able to put some miles and hours on one of the bypassed radios? Anyone experience overheating problems? No need to cause a panic, I just want to make sure it isn't my imagination.





Posted By: Micro64
Date Posted: September 05, 2005 at 1:57 AM
Upgraded N1(to N2 software) owners are out of luck. The hole and R197 is not present even when the unit was  taken apart. Any ideas? posted_image

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Posted By: zracer196
Date Posted: September 07, 2005 at 6:29 AM

Hello,

Just bought a D1...Forgive me for getting lost in this thread...

I know I cannot watch movies...No need to for me.  Just want to have all the NAV capabilities while driving (maybe my wife uses it while I drive) and also would like not to have try and find the brake wire...Lastly, do I need to connect the reverse (back-up) wire?  I have a good friend that is an electrician.  He'll do the wiring for me.

In short, what is the method for defeating on the D1.

THANKS!!!!!!





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:58 PM

Lost in this thread? You must really need navigation because its in the first post:  here ya go

AVIC-D1 lockout bypass:  Find an extra Pioneer wire harness, and pull one of the wires out.  Or, if you do not use the A.ANT lead, pull that out of the harness.  In the AVIC-D1 harness, there is one open spot on the connector (next to the ground wire). Put the wire into the open spot on the connector, connect the other side to ground, then re-connect the plug to the AVIC-D1. Also, you must ground the Parking Brake wire (or connect to a toggle switch if you feel the need).

Just bought a D1...Forgive me for getting lost in this thread...

I know I cannot watch movies...No need to for me.  Just want to have all the NAV capabilities while driving (maybe my wife uses it while I drive) and also would like not to have try and find the brake wire...Lastly, do I need to connect the reverse (back-up) wire?  I have a good friend that is an electrician.  He'll do the wiring for me.

In short, what is the method for defeating on the D1.

THANKS!!!!!!

[/QUOTE]




Posted By: dstang24
Date Posted: September 10, 2005 at 1:53 AM
The reverse wire is used for better GPS accuracy... like the speed sensor it communicates with the nav. unit.  This way, the D1 in this case, will know that you are moving backwards and correct the map accordingly.




Posted By: wacktool
Date Posted: September 10, 2005 at 5:18 PM

Well, I did the pin changout today on the AVIC-D1 and it works.   I know all the previous replies people have been saying "that user has only has 2 posts or 3 posts"  Well Guess what, so do I.   But i have proof, I took live video of the speedometer and the avic-d1 at the same time.    I was on a empty road and all that jazz so dont start any flaming on driving while doing this.  Its about 9.55 meg     https://home.comcast.net/~skuehner/avic-d1.avi





Posted By: bajaclawz71
Date Posted: September 11, 2005 at 11:16 PM
wacktool wrote:

Well, I did the pin changout today on the AVIC-D1 and it works.   I know all the previous replies people have been saying "that user has only has 2 posts or 3 posts"  Well Guess what, so do I.   But i have proof, I took live video of the speedometer and the avic-d1 at the same time.    I was on a empty road and all that jazz so dont start any flaming on driving while doing this.  Its about 9.55 meg     https://home.comcast.net/~skuehner/avic-d1.avi


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Posted By: chido
Date Posted: September 20, 2005 at 2:06 PM
I am no professional when it comes to instalations, but I have done a fair share of installing for friends and in my cars. I just got the D1 a few weeks ago before I quit part time work a major retailer for audio (paid $900 for mine brand new with tax, warranty and extended warranty). I was waiting for an installer to put it in for me and bypass the brake with switches, but his spare time was booked and I would have to wait three weeks. So I read the manual cover to cover and came here to get the wire diagram. I ended up doing it myself and I was going to bring it to my installer to get it all verified and bypass the brake. Then I found out that if I give my parking brake "one click" the parking light on the dash comes on and the video will show with no drag on the brakes. Now I don't know what effect this will have on the car but it works. I probably won't use it, I'm too paranooid about getting more tickets. Have traffic court next week for speeding.




Posted By: jeremyrose
Date Posted: September 20, 2005 at 11:41 PM
Does anyone have a pic of the wiring harness on the D1?  I was looking at the model at my work out of the box and the only open spot was in the top right corner next to the constant (12v+) wire.  Any thoughts?

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Alpine 9815




Posted By: chido
Date Posted: September 21, 2005 at 9:54 AM
never mind it didn't work. Don't know why I thought it did. Guess I will still have to take it to my installer to get it bypassed. I think the unit was reading the vss as well as the e-brake.




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: September 21, 2005 at 6:05 PM

You installed the unit yourself and you can't bypass it yourself?  Are you sure?  Just pull the deck, if you are not using one of the other wires in the harness, remove it with a molex tool (or a paper clip or something to get it out.)  Then stick it in the open spot in the harness over by the ground (black.)  Take that wire, the light green wire (has a little plastic tag on it that tells you its the brake wire), and the ground in the harness(its black) and connect them to the ground coming from your car.  Shouldn't take more than a couple minutes

chido] wrote:

ever mind it didn't work. Don't know why I thought it did. Guess I will still have to take it to my installer to get it bypassed. I think the unit was reading the vss as well as the e-brake.





Posted By: sexyvic1
Date Posted: September 23, 2005 at 12:26 PM

real quick question. the double din one.....the d1 i believe, can dvd's be played on this unit or does it not have that option at all?

even if the car is parked with the parking brake?

i am a bit confused because through out the thread it said that there is a dvd-rom and not a actual dvd plyer built in......

can someone please clear this up for me?  i have to do a navigation unit on a car  and i was considering that unit untill i read this.

thanks fellas



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Posted By: wacktool
Date Posted: September 23, 2005 at 9:02 PM

Yes, it has to optical drives/slots.   Top slot is for the music disc's  ie.. mp3, cd's, etc...    The bottom/2nd slot is for the dvd navigation discs.   The unit DOES not play dvd movies.    You have to purchase a external unit.





Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: September 23, 2005 at 9:04 PM
sexyvic1 wrote:

real quick question. the double din one.....the d1 i believe, can dvd's be played on this unit or does it not have that option at all?

even if the car is parked with the parking brake?

i am a bit confused because through out the thread it said that there is a dvd-rom and not a actual dvd plyer built in......

can someone please clear this up for me? i have to do a navigation unit on a car and i was considering that unit untill i read this.

thanks fellas




No Internal DVD player, I personally have a pioneer SDV-P7

DVD-ROM is for NAV Disc


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Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta




Posted By: sexyvic1
Date Posted: September 24, 2005 at 1:04 PM
thanks guys :o)

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Posted By: killbert
Date Posted: September 27, 2005 at 5:31 PM
auex][ wrote:

UOTE=trunknuts]

No, the D1 does not have an onboard DVD drive for DVD movies so you would have to use an external DVD player.  



Correct, it only plays dvdrom.[/QUOTE]

So There's no way to use it's current setup to play DVDs? I heard a kid did it, and I'm interested myself. 

Kill





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: September 27, 2005 at 9:23 PM

Nope.  That kid must be dreaming of when he gets a car and a stereo

So There's no way to use it's current setup to play DVDs? I heard a kid did it, and I'm interested myself. 

Kill

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Posted By: nstlfrk
Date Posted: September 29, 2005 at 4:14 PM
For every one that is looking for a bypass for the pioneer models AVIC N2 and d1 you dont need one. After install and the unit is set up and navi is programed just put a toggle switch on the VSS wire this is the pink wire also know as speed sense. The memory in the unit will remember every thing in it. Also dont forget to ground the green brake wire. You will still get the message at the begining saying not to veiw just hit ok it will work fine.
Yes this does stop your speedo and g rating from working in the diagnostic display but you are watching a dvd and when you need the display just turn it back on.        Also it does impare your navi (it will try to do every thing by antenna)but like i said just turn it back on when you need the navi option.




Posted By: leenas
Date Posted: October 08, 2005 at 2:48 PM
I know I'm a newbie but I just tried the D1 bypass trick and it worked for me. Also for those that have an Aviator I started a threat for where to locate the VSS wire... https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=64038&PN=1&tpn=1





Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: October 08, 2005 at 11:11 PM
leenas wrote:

I know I'm a newbie but I just tried the D1 bypass trick and it worked for me. Also for those that have an Aviator I started a threat for where to locate the VSS wire... https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=64038&PN=1&tpn=1



almost all ford trucks have VSS at the radio harness.
speed controlled volume.

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Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta




Posted By: sexyvic1
Date Posted: October 09, 2005 at 1:38 PM

hello, everyone, i spoke with my friend who works at a local retail store and he said that he did the bypass for the N2 himself for the display unit and it worked. i saw it work too.

but he said he doesn't know how it will react when the car is in motion. he has not tested that because it is a display unit on the wall.

just figured i would add this to let people know that it does not screw up the unit if u solder like someone mentioned a bit ealier in the thread.



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Posted By: jetskiscott2
Date Posted: October 11, 2005 at 7:25 PM
It works!  I had the install guys at a major retailer do exactly as it said in the first post.  The parking brake is grounded and I have a toggle switch hooked up.  This unit is fantastic. 




Posted By: six2six
Date Posted: October 12, 2005 at 9:01 PM

Just got my D1. Returned the Eclipse AVN5435 (outdated maps) and got the D1.  Did the bypass and works like a charm.  I also did it on an N2 and the the DVD option is available during movement. 





Posted By: bajaclawz71
Date Posted: October 13, 2005 at 12:13 PM
I just got off the phone with a Pioneer tech and I described this bypass to him and asked if he had heard of it.  His reply " I am going to have to lie, no."  So looks like I will be going through with it in the near future.  Is there a way to remove the silver tape on the N2 and still being able to replace it?  I have silver tape that I can use too. Also does anyone have any pictures of the bypass? 




Posted By: simon143k
Date Posted: October 13, 2005 at 6:29 PM

Avic-D1 mod works. I took a wire off another harness from an Alpine head unit. You can use any wire from any harness and you must ground that wire along with the parking break wire. Make sure you connect the speed sensor and reverse light wires.

Naviation looks nice ion my mustang but not as accurate as i would like it to be. The antenna needs to be mounted outside for better reception. The problem is it states you arrived about 50 feet from the location. =(

If yall need install help let me know.

laTe



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Posted By: cchaynes
Date Posted: October 15, 2005 at 5:41 PM
AutoNavguy wrote:

Hope this is OK to make a clean post of this, but alot of people are asking about this and the multi-page threads are not so clear.  It contains some updated information from the original rec.audio.car post, as well.

Below are instructions on how to bypass the lockouts on the Pioneer AVIC-N2 and AVIC-D1.  It is real simple, and does not require any complex switches or anything.  We figure these are service or testing modes, and were not intended to become public.  Our Pioneer guy claims to not know anything about it, but who knows, that may just be a line.

This bypass will do three things:
1. Makes all nav functions available while driving (just like they should be)
2. Make video playback available while driving
3. No more parking brake warning box!!!

AVIC-N2 lockout bypass:  Underneath the MAIN unit (not the hideaway) is a small silver sticker, peel this back.  There are two contacts with the label "R197".  Drop a bit of solder between these to connect them. Also, you must ground the Parking Brake wire.

AVIC-D1 lockout bypass:  Find an extra Pioneer wire harness, and pull one of the wires out.  Or, if you do not use the A.ANT lead, pull that out of the harness.  In the AVIC-D1 harness, there is one open spot on the connector (next to the ground wire). Put the wire into the open spot on the connector, connect the other side to ground, then re-connect the plug to the AVIC-D1. Also, you must ground the Parking Brake wire (or connect to a toggle switch if you feel the need).

Thats it, all there is to it, and all the lockouts are bypassed.  Easy, give it a try. 


jsut a quick question. what is teh easies way to ger the "sapre wire" out of the harness, i tried, but i dont want to damage it!!

cheers!

Craig





Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: October 15, 2005 at 8:37 PM
simon143k wrote:

Avic-D1 mod works. I took a wire off another harness from an Alpine head unit. You can use any wire from any harness and you must ground that wire along with the parking break wire. Make sure you connect the speed sensor and reverse light wires.


Naviation looks nice ion my mustang but not as accurate as i would like it to be. The antenna needs to be mounted outside for better reception. The problem is it states you arrived about 50 feet from the location. =(

If yall need install help let me know.

laTe











If the streets in map are small purple, you don't get turn by turn and just a general "you have arrived at your destination" message.

Also the accuracy gets better as time goes on.

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Shaughn Murley
Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta




Posted By: need1234
Date Posted: October 17, 2005 at 2:01 AM

sorry guys this might be a stupid question that is probably have asked by some ppl many times . i just a got a d1 installed in my audi... the unit is amazing and i did the bypass and it worked it unlocked on the navi features but my real quesiton is will the internal dvd rom drive could play dvds or not... or i have to hook up seperate dvd player no matter what.           and if it will how can i make it happen . because the part that i am confused from this thread is ppl say it has worked like a charm and ... so with bypass they can watch dvd with internal dvd rom too...  or external is required       HOW come i can't .

thanks





Posted By: auex
Date Posted: October 17, 2005 at 9:26 AM
No, D1 is dvd-rom only. To watch dvd videos you will need a seperate dvd player.

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Posted By: need1234
Date Posted: October 17, 2005 at 10:18 PM

thank u...

i am not hijacking the thread but

second question for those who have d1.... can u have a split screen with av and navi for example... can i have a cd playing so that will be av mode can i also have navi showing on split screen like back up camera and navi...

thanks





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: October 17, 2005 at 11:03 PM

No, but you can overlay navigation arrows on the bottom right corner of your screen.  At least then you know how long til the next turn

need1234 wrote:

thank u...

i am not hijacking the thread but

second question for those who have d1.... can u have a split screen with av and navi for example... can i have a cd playing so that will be av mode can i also have navi showing on split screen like back up camera and navi...

thanks






Posted By: x2nervisx
Date Posted: October 18, 2005 at 3:40 AM
so to those who have the n1 and upgraded to the n2 discs... did you guys notice anything different other than the obvious lock out such as different displays, different graphics, added graphics, new menus or more acurate maps? And are these discs N2 discs that come with the unit or are they specific n1 upgrade discs?   Thanks for any input.




Posted By: klein1883
Date Posted: October 18, 2005 at 10:09 PM

Yes the N2 bypass does work! I have a newer unit (purchased on 9-12-2005) opened up the N2 (removed the silver sticker) and found two very small solder dots, joined them, grounded the parking break wire and all works excellent. Still get the startup message otherwise all works as promised/hoped. And yes...I know I am a newbie but I promise I do not belong to the Pioneer Sabatage Team! :)





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: October 18, 2005 at 11:21 PM

The maps are better, the background images are different but not much better, and there are some improvements to the menus, plus the ability to do NavTraffic

x2nervisx wrote:

so to those who have the n1 and upgraded to the n2 discs... did you guys notice anything different other than the obvious lock out such as different displays, different graphics, added graphics, new menus or more acurate maps? And are these discs N2 discs that come with the unit or are they specific n1 upgrade discs?   Thanks for any input.





Posted By: avic_canuck
Date Posted: October 25, 2005 at 10:02 PM

hey guys, newbie here.. just saying hello and that this forum is too funny for the responses on the avic n2.

just so you all know.

i canadian and we don't lie ;-)

i did the r197 bypass and it worked great.

i am surprised that there is very few people that say so.

the pioneer police thread.. that was too funny!!! LOL

cheers



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AVIC-N2
CD-VC1
1999 M ROADSTER




Posted By: jjones5
Date Posted: October 27, 2005 at 3:48 PM
This question got posted a while back but i couldn't see an answer so I will ask it again. On the wiring harness for the D1 the only open slot is the top right. Is this the spot to insert the new wire and ground. I have installed the D1 with the parking brake grounded now I am trying to finish the rest of the bypass. Any help appreciated.





Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: October 27, 2005 at 4:19 PM
jjones5 wrote:

This question got posted a while back but i couldn't see an answer so I will ask it again. On the wiring harness for the D1 the only open slot is the top right. Is this the spot to insert the new wire and ground. I have installed the D1 with the parking brake grounded now I am trying to finish the rest of the bypass. Any help appreciated.


that is the spot, next to the ground wire.

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Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta




Posted By: bajaclawz71
Date Posted: October 30, 2005 at 1:09 AM

Isn't the most crucial part of the bypass on the N2 not melting the wax around the pins?  Well isn't there somw type of conducting paste that doesn't require soldering that could be used instead?  May be a dumb question but somewhere I thought I had heard of such a thing.





Posted By: avic_canuck
Date Posted: October 30, 2005 at 11:59 AM
bajaclawz71 wrote:

Isn't the most crucial part of the bypass on the N2 not melting the wax around the pins?  Well isn't there somw type of conducting paste that doesn't require soldering that could be used instead?  May be a dumb question but somewhere I thought I had heard of such a thing.


hey guys.. i am not sure what the issue is... if anyone knows how to solder is to just apply the heat when needed...

i added a wire to junction the two points and it works great,

all done... no issues.

man.. reading all the threads and discussions on this topic made me nervous... you guys are paranoid... ;-)



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AVIC-N2
CD-VC1
1999 M ROADSTER




Posted By: bajaclawz71
Date Posted: October 30, 2005 at 3:29 PM
avic_canuck wrote:

bajaclawz71 wrote:

Isn't the most crucial part of the bypass on the N2 not melting the wax around the pins?  Well isn't there somw type of conducting paste that doesn't require soldering that could be used instead?  May be a dumb question but somewhere I thought I had heard of such a thing.


hey guys.. i am not sure what the issue is... if anyone knows how to solder is to just apply the heat when needed...

i added a wire to junction the two points and it works great,

all done... no issues.

man.. reading all the threads and discussions on this topic made me nervous... you guys are paranoid... ;-)


Hell yea I am paranoid, we are talking about $1300+ here.





Posted By: avic_canuck
Date Posted: October 30, 2005 at 5:29 PM
bajaclawz71 wrote:

avic_canuck wrote:

bajaclawz71 wrote:

Isn't the most crucial part of the bypass on the N2 not melting the wax around the pins?  Well isn't there somw type of conducting paste that doesn't require soldering that could be used instead?  May be a dumb question but somewhere I thought I had heard of such a thing.


hey guys.. i am not sure what the issue is... if anyone knows how to solder is to just apply the heat when needed...

i added a wire to junction the two points and it works great,

all done... no issues.

man.. reading all the threads and discussions on this topic made me nervous... you guys are paranoid... ;-)


Hell yea I am paranoid, we are talking about $1300+ here.


i hear ya.. my point is... that the task is trivial, just solder the two points... don't worry about heating.. don't worry about anything... if you know how to solder then you should be fine....

common sense here... don't use a blow torch to solder the connection ;)



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CD-VC1
1999 M ROADSTER




Posted By: drew4188
Date Posted: October 31, 2005 at 7:04 AM
The N2 bypass does not work.  I tried it and it blanked out my monitor.  I was lucky that I was able to remove the solder and same the system




Posted By: avic_canuck
Date Posted: October 31, 2005 at 8:10 AM

drew4188 wrote:

The N2 bypass does not work.  I tried it and it blanked out my monitor.  I was lucky that I was able to remove the solder and same the system

dude.. you are mistaken, it works fine...

i have done it to mine.. took me like 5 min to solder the wire... and thats it.

works over 40km works at 180km....

i get full functionality of the nav system.

piece of cake.

make sure you ground your green wire.. the parking brake to the body of the car.

i still didn't hook up my pink wire.. the reverse..

the unit rocks.. so precise!

love it so much i am buying another one for my jeep.. and you guessed it.. doing the bypass again.



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AVIC-N2
CD-VC1
1999 M ROADSTER




Posted By: drew4188
Date Posted: October 31, 2005 at 1:21 PM
What could I have done wrong to make it not work for me.   I put solder between the 2 connections, But I did not ground the brake wire.  I do have the speed sensor hooked up.  That shoul dnot have caused the monitor to remain black.  Please assist further




Posted By: avic_canuck
Date Posted: October 31, 2005 at 1:31 PM

drew4188 wrote:

What could I have done wrong to make it not work for me.   I put solder between the 2 connections, But I did not ground the brake wire.  I do have the speed sensor hooked up.  That shoul dnot have caused the monitor to remain black.  Please assist further

hi there.

take a 18gauge wire.

solder the ends first... then touch one end of the short 18g wire to one point on the r197 pin.  then touch the wire and it should solder on immediately.

do the same to the other end.

about the parking brake.. you need to have the grounded in order for the bypass to work.

let me know if that helps.

if you just left your soldering gun on the r197 points.. then you could have applied too much heat and who knows what is beneath that..

you might have to take it apart to see what you have melted underneath.

good luck.



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AVIC-N2
CD-VC1
1999 M ROADSTER




Posted By: adikted
Date Posted: November 02, 2005 at 9:21 PM

Yes, I am a new user.  This as a matter of fact is my first post.  I just purchased a N2.  I was sent to this site for info on bypassing.  I was hoping I would have some info that wouldn't be so confusing.  I'm a girl and have no experience doing anything remotely close to this so I was hoping to get the info and give it to someone who can help me.  Now after reading almost all these posts I get the feeling that it may ruin the N2 that I just paid a f-load of money for.  I know my uncle could make the fix on it but I can't ask him to do it cuz he'll freak out that it's illegal and dangerous so that leaves me sitting next to the dumb boy in the parking lot who thinks he's at the drive in's.  Yes, some of you boy's are pretty stupid too. 

I'm just frusterated that I'm not sure who's info I should trust on here, and who would actually be qualified to make the changes for me.





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: November 03, 2005 at 1:41 AM

Its fairly simple, you just have to connect the pins as described hundreds of times in here.  If you know anyone with basic electrical experience, they should know how to solder.  If you don't know anyone, try the wire thing described here.  I have done the solder and its easy but if you don't know anyone qualified, I would stick with the wire because you have less chance of messing up your new deck

adikted wrote:

Yes, I am a new user.  This as a matter of fact is my first post.  I just purchased a N2.  I was sent to this site for info on bypassing.  I was hoping I would have some info that wouldn't be so confusing.  I'm a girl and have no experience doing anything remotely close to this so I was hoping to get the info and give it to someone who can help me.  Now after reading almost all these posts I get the feeling that it may ruin the N2 that I just paid a f-load of money for.  I know my uncle could make the fix on it but I can't ask him to do it cuz he'll freak out that it's illegal and dangerous so that leaves me sitting next to the dumb boy in the parking lot who thinks he's at the drive in's.  Yes, some of you boy's are pretty stupid too. 

I'm just frusterated that I'm not sure who's info I should trust on here, and who would actually be qualified to make the changes for me.






Posted By: BLklsc
Date Posted: November 03, 2005 at 10:33 PM
Check this out. Today I went to SEMA (Specialty Equipment Market Association) in Las Vegas. The Pioneer booth had the next generation for the D1 it was called the Z1 and it WILL play DVD movies without the needed addon player and it was BlueTooth capable. I asked if the bypass worked the same as the D1, you should have seen his face posted_image .

J




Posted By: Slammed01
Date Posted: November 04, 2005 at 2:47 AM
How does the N1 compare to the N2? Would I be better off buying the N2 online since either way by doing the mod will void my warranty? They want 1800+ in stores and 1300 on EBay. How is the sound quality/navigation compared to Eclipse and Alpine?




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: November 04, 2005 at 2:25 PM

Your probably better off buying an N2.  If you get an N1 and decide to upgrade the software now or down the line, you will not be able to bypass it.  The navigation is better than alpine and eclipse, sound quality is dependent on what model you are comparing it to in those lines.  Pioneers best sound quality screen is the 7600DVD so you might consider that if your very concerned about it, but is expensive and you would have seperate nav like the alpine systems

Slammed01 wrote:

How does the N1 compare to the N2? Would I be better off buying the N2 online since either way by doing the mod will void my warranty? They want 1800+ in stores and 1300 on EBay. How is the sound quality/navigation compared to Eclipse and Alpine?





Posted By: Slammed01
Date Posted: November 05, 2005 at 1:40 AM
Will Pioneer have a Navi unit seperate for the 7500 and 7600 series that has navtraffic and compares to the n2 software?




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: November 05, 2005 at 3:19 PM

You can put the N2 software in their standalone navi for the same mapping and databases, but they will not do navtraffic.  Not sure if they have one for next year

Slammed01 wrote:

Will Pioneer have a Navi unit seperate for the 7500 and 7600 series that has navtraffic and compares to the n2 software?





Posted By: 3forty7
Date Posted: November 06, 2005 at 12:56 AM
There has been tons of prople on this board saying it work it doesnt work, blah, blah, blah. It works if you do it right. Have done 10 units without a problem. If it was me and my own unit I dont think I would do it. One I have a avh-7500dvd wich is far better, but I think I have only watched a dvd once while driving and that was one I got the unit 2 years ago. The only thing pioneer needs to improve on is the access of all the navigation features while driving. Most people want this rather than the ability to watch a dvd.




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: November 06, 2005 at 5:55 AM

Not sure if you know this but, the 7500 and standalone navi are not affected by the lockout.  I think most people on here are asking about the units with built-in navi, which is why there are like 11 pages on the topic.  So why would you not do it if it was your own unit?  Would you still like yours if you couldn't access the vicinity search and poi search while moving?  If you hadn't  bypassed your "far better" system, you wouldn't be able to do that either, right?  So you would probably bypass it just like everyone else.  Good thing there are forums like this to teach you how to do it. 

3forty7 wrote:

There has been tons of prople on this board saying it work it doesnt work, blah, blah, blah. It works if you do it right. Have done 10 units without a problem. If it was me and my own unit I dont think I would do it. One I have a avh-7500dvd wich is far better, but I think I have only watched a dvd once while driving and that was one I got the unit 2 years ago. The only thing pioneer needs to improve on is the access of all the navigation features while driving. Most people want this rather than the ability to watch a dvd.





Posted By: badboyozz
Date Posted: November 07, 2005 at 10:51 AM

The lockout bypass  sounds like a solution to a lot of peoples problems including my own hopefully.

I just bought an Avic-X1R. Is there a known bypass for this model or is it the same as the US model with a different model number?

Please Help!





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: November 07, 2005 at 1:54 PM

I thought the X1 was the European version of the N1, which only required the parking brake wire to be grounded.  Not sure about the X1R though. 

badboyozz wrote:

The lockout bypass  sounds like a solution to a lot of peoples problems including my own hopefully.

I just bought an Avic-X1R. Is there a known bypass for this model or is it the same as the US model with a different model number?

Please Help!






Posted By: adikted
Date Posted: November 07, 2005 at 7:15 PM
I talked to someone the other day who said to make sure your gps locates your position before you make any changes otherwise it just gets stuck searching continuously without finding you.  Has anyone had any experience with this or is it just a pile of crap? 




Posted By: badboyozz
Date Posted: November 08, 2005 at 5:19 AM
bajaclawz71 wrote:

avic_canuck wrote:

bajaclawz71 wrote:

Isn't the most crucial part of the bypass on the N2 not melting the wax around the pins?  Well isn't there somw type of conducting paste that doesn't require soldering that could be used instead?  May be a dumb question but somewhere I thought I had heard of such a thing.


hey guys.. i am not sure what the issue is... if anyone knows how to solder is to just apply the heat when needed...

i added a wire to junction the two points and it works great,

all done... no issues.

man.. reading all the threads and discussions on this topic made me nervous... you guys are paranoid... ;-)


Hell yea I am paranoid, we are talking about $1300+ here.


I think your right to be para. Let's face it if something does go wrong with yout unit you will miss that warranty.

My advice - use wires not solder. Although I hear there is a metal filler available so you could put some of that stuff on a piece of bare metal and then test it with a circuit tester to make sure you still get a circuit.





Posted By: badboyozz
Date Posted: November 08, 2005 at 11:04 AM
whtcrxghst wrote:

I thought the X1 was the European version of the N1, which only required the parking brake wire to be grounded.  Not sure about the X1R though. 


I have not yet attached the speed pulse wire but I have grounded the handbrake wire. I'll post a comment when I get the speed pulse connected - going to mitsubishi garage on Saturday so they can locate it for me. I was shocked when I called them and they tols me they can't be sure without having access to the car - so much for buying service and repair manuals.





Posted By: 3forty7
Date Posted: November 08, 2005 at 1:43 PM
I didnt need the forum to learn how to bypass the n2 or the d1,I do this every day!! This forum is extremely helpful to people like you and others on this board,but as for me I am a certified tech and do this for a living. I have the tech information and provide tech information to others when I stumble upon it. I said I would not bypass the unit if it was my own simply because it will void your warranty. I install these units on a daily basis and the failure rate within a few years is too high to go without a warranty. Thats just my 2 cents.




Posted By: ellasman
Date Posted: November 09, 2005 at 1:19 AM

ok guys, I know we all have read and posted about Watching Video while you drive.  I'm an installer at a shop and most of you will think i'm full of b.s. but I'm not.  I had a customer come in yesterday with an 02 Suburban.  Well, needless to say, they have an Avic-N1 in the dash and also another Avic-N1 mounted in the center console where the rear A/C-Radio Controls go for rear seat TV.  Well, they also hooked up the nav back there and we all know how to do do the video bypass on the N2 & D1 but is there any type of work around with the AVIC-N1 with video while you drive.  The guy who had the dual nav units in his truck wants it for his kids to play with so they can hear it on their headphones or play with the nav system and also use the phonebook directory under the address search.  Now with his new NAV upgrade, the avic-n1 in the back seat can't watch video any more.... 

Does anyone have a work around for the AVIC-N1 as far as video while you drive like the N2 & D1 ???

Steve



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The Installation Specialist




Posted By: 3forty7
Date Posted: November 09, 2005 at 4:38 PM
dude the avic n1 just needs the parking brake wire grounded and then you will gain access to video while you drive, and full function on the nav features. Why in the hell would someone use a n1 in the back seat?




Posted By: ellasman
Date Posted: November 09, 2005 at 7:43 PM
we have not upgraded the software yet, but when we do, we're upgrading to the AVIC-N2 software the CNDV-50 , won't it lock out video while you drive???? That is the question at issue. When you upgrade the AVIC-N1 to the new software, won't it lock out video while you drive, and is there a fix for it like the jumper pins in the AVIC-N2 ?????

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The Installation Specialist




Posted By: johnnysinn
Date Posted: November 11, 2005 at 6:00 PM

I tried this mod out and it worked perfectly.

I strongly suggest using a circuit tracing pen instead of solder.  The contacts are really small and delicate.  If you are not very skilled with a soldering iron, or have a cheap iron that doesn't get hot enough, you run the risk of damaging the circuit board.

A circuit tracing pen can be purchased at Radio Shack for about $12.99.  It uses a conductive ink.  Clean the two solder points and then draw a line between them with the pen....and Done!

That's all it took for me.  It was super easy and works perfect.  I didn't have to worry about over heating the contact and breaking something on the unit.

Good luck everyone!





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: November 12, 2005 at 4:05 AM

Yes it will lock out video while you drive.  There is not a fix for it yet like on the N2 because those pins do not exist on the N1.  You might suggest to the owner to just not upgrade the software on the rear N1.  Its not like they need the newer mapping and other features if its just a slave for the kids to play with

ellasman wrote:

we have not upgraded the software yet, but when we do, we're upgrading to the AVIC-N2 software the CNDV-50 , won't it lock out video while you drive???? That is the question at issue. When you upgrade the AVIC-N1 to the new software, won't it lock out video while you drive, and is there a fix for it like the jumper pins in the AVIC-N2 ?????





Posted By: shhnappa
Date Posted: November 12, 2005 at 12:43 PM
johnnysinn wrote:

I tried this mod out and it worked perfectly.

I strongly suggest using a circuit tracing pen instead of solder.  The contacts are really small and delicate.  If you are not very skilled with a soldering iron, or have a cheap iron that doesn't get hot enough, you run the risk of damaging the circuit board.

A circuit tracing pen can be purchased at Radio Shack for about $12.99.  It uses a conductive ink.  Clean the two solder points and then draw a line between them with the pen....and Done!

That's all it took for me.  It was super easy and works perfect.  I didn't have to worry about over heating the contact and breaking something on the unit.

Good luck everyone!


Well, I must say, after months and months for questioning whether or not to jump in with both feet and try this out on my 6 month N2, and after living with the inability to change my destination while driving, I pulled the unit out on my old car, did the mod, and installed it in my new '06 Hemi Charger Daytona. I went back and forth in my mind as to figure the best way to join the two pins, the post I quoted is BY FAR the best and easiest way to do this; it took all of 2 min. to perform the task. I called my local Radio Shack, they had the pen in stock (part # 64-4339  $12.99) , ran down and picked it up. Works like it should from the factory. I must say that I don't care about the DVD playback at all, I'm in sales and drive 20-30,000 mile a year, so you could imagine how much I rely on the nav unit, and not having the ability to change my destination while driving is a complete pain in the ass, especially when I'm on my way somewhere, then I get a call from someone who has to see me right away. I can't wait to start using this now that it's set up the way it should be. Hope this dispels and doubters out there. Good luck.




Posted By: srt4police
Date Posted: November 14, 2005 at 12:31 PM

Hey Guys, well I am about 2 seconds from buying the N2. THe bypass on the board has worked for a bunch of installers down here.

Here is my only question though, Will all of the vehicle dynamics still work? Such as the Gforce meter, side G meter and such. I am sure the speed signal will, because I am going to hook up the pink wire to my speed signal from my SRT4.

any ideas?





Posted By: videovegas
Date Posted: November 14, 2005 at 6:54 PM
Let me just start out by saying thank you.  I bought the Avic-D1 from RadioShack and paid over $300.00 to have it "professionally installed". I read this forum and thought how easy it sounded to do the bypass.  AND IT WAS!  I have no experience hooking up car audio.  I read this forum for 4 days and finally decided to try it.  It couldn't have been any easier.  The only problem I had was retrieving a wire from the harnest to use.  That was it, just hook that wire up to the ground and plug in the harness and no more break error message and full function while driving down the road.   THANK YOU AGAIN!

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Video Vegas....Avic_D1




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: November 14, 2005 at 8:27 PM

Yes, everything works

srt4police wrote:

Hey Guys, well I am about 2 seconds from buying the N2. THe bypass on the board has worked for a bunch of installers down here.

Here is my only question though, Will all of the vehicle dynamics still work? Such as the Gforce meter, side G meter and such. I am sure the speed signal will, because I am going to hook up the pink wire to my speed signal from my SRT4.

any ideas?






Posted By: motohead84
Date Posted: November 14, 2005 at 8:43 PM

Does anyone have a picture of the two pins that need to be connected on the n2?





Posted By: mrsqueezles
Date Posted: November 15, 2005 at 1:41 PM
I got tired of reading this thread, so I hope noone else has posted this before. I have an N1 and upgraded it. I live in downtown Chicago and need traffic info. I was pretty disappointed when everything shut off while driving. I have voice nav so I can get around on my own, but when I have passengers, I want them to be able to watch movies or use the nav system, so I fixed it. Here's how!

  • Put a toggle switch on the parking brake. The software will ask you to turn it on, then off, then on again, so you need this.
  • Put another toggle switch on the speed sensor wire. If the AVIC receives any speed pulses, everything shuts off.
  • Finally, put a toggle on the GPS wire. This is a coax wire, so you'll need a switch with two leads.


To use unit or play DVD's, turn speed sensor and GPS switches off, then parking brake switch on. Do opposite for normal driving.

This is a lot more work than the N2 fix, but I spent so much on the unit and the upgrade that it was worth it. It took a couple hours. I'd recommend soldering the switches before you get started so all you have to do is splice them into the AVIC's wires. You can't get GPS while playing DVD's, but I don't care because I only turn movies on when we're on long trips.




Posted By: mrsqueezles
Date Posted: November 15, 2005 at 1:44 PM
One more thing! I almost mounted a switch where it wouldn't have had clearance behind the dash. Be careful of that! posted_image




Posted By: footer
Date Posted: November 18, 2005 at 8:47 PM

i tried the bypass on my avic n-2 and just got a black screen and nothing else.  so i scraped off the soder and it went back to original.  got any ideas?

please help

footer

 





Posted By: grandcherokee01
Date Posted: November 20, 2005 at 2:04 PM

I have completed the bypass and it works like a charm.....For anyone who will be using solder to complete the bypass be careful first of all.  Second you need to clean the points and area between because there is a protective wax on the board.   Also in order to not get the black screen you need to make sure that when you do solder the points together that the solder is not touching the metal piece close by on the end of the board.  If it is touching it will ground out the pins and you will not complete the circuit.  If you do it correctly and the solder is not touching the metal and only touching the 2 pins you have a working unit.

p_gcustomerservice@yahoo.com is my e-mail address if you have any questions.



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Jeep Grand Cherokee '01
Infinity Gold System
Pioneer AVIC-N2 w/ rear view camera and iPod Adapter
2 8x10 LCD Headrest Monitors
2 5x7 LCD Headrest Monitors
2 JL 10 W7's, 500\1 Mono AMPS
5 Farad C




Posted By: kruisecontrol
Date Posted: November 20, 2005 at 7:11 PM

i been here for years but i never posted nothing had another account but lost the pasword and the email i was using was paid and canceled. anyway my fist posts ,i had an n2 and i did this modification long time ago when the instructions first came out in the newsgroups ,worked fine but my radio failed from the mecanism wont open or close , so i had to returned for warranty ,what i did , i reverted the mod ,desolder the jumper ,get wax from another radio put it in place
,clean the solder and i found a look alike sticker from another radio and remove d it with aheat gun.   i sent it for service and it returned back flawless no problems so i did the mod again and its working like a charm.   so think that you might need warranty for a non mod related issue in the future and make a clean job so you can revert it anytime if you can take the sticker with a heat gun and save it just in case.   after i reverted the mod , i really coulnt tell it was modded.  hope it helps.





Posted By: alphasig
Date Posted: November 21, 2005 at 5:05 PM

Hello all,

I just wanted to say that the instructions on how to bypass the lock feature of the N2 works wonderfully.  I just bought might on 11/22/2005 and i dropped a piece of solder on two the two connections and grounded the light green wire and it works.  DO BELIEVE THE POST THAT SAYS IT DOESN'T WORK. 



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Posted By: bdeppen
Date Posted: November 21, 2005 at 7:46 PM
I just did the bypass and it works perfectly except for one thing, my rear camera no longer works.  I read the DVD is piped through the rear camera which allows it to play while driving.  I was just wondering if there is anyway I can have the bypass work, and my rear camera.  If all else fails I was thinking about putting my rear camera in my AUX IN, but I would like it to be available when I put my truck in reverse or easily access from the NAV menu when driving.  If anyone has the same problem or an idea to solve my problem, please share. thanks




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: November 21, 2005 at 10:06 PM

Did you check in the menu(i think its in initial or setup) to make sure the camera input is turned on?  Maybe it defaulted to 'off' when you pulled it out of the car to do the bypass.  Then you should just run the camera through the camera input and put the dvd in the N2 and switch the source to dvd.  You should have both with no problems

bdeppen wrote:

I just did the bypass and it works perfectly except for one thing, my rear camera no longer works.  I read the DVD is piped through the rear camera which allows it to play while driving.  I was just wondering if there is anyway I can have the bypass work, and my rear camera.  If all else fails I was thinking about putting my rear camera in my AUX IN, but I would like it to be available when I put my truck in reverse or easily access from the NAV menu when driving.  If anyone has the same problem or an idea to solve my problem, please share. thanks





Posted By: bdeppen
Date Posted: November 22, 2005 at 5:18 AM
Ah yes, forgot about that step.  Going to check that now, but I do believe that should do it.  Thanks whtcrxghst




Posted By: grandcherokee01
Date Posted: November 22, 2005 at 2:13 PM

Ok I have recieved quite a few e-mails from people wanting better instructions on how to complete this bypass for the AVIC-N2.  Well here they are with some solutions for problems that you may run into:

Ok first what you need to do is remove the in-dash unit from the car and take it to a table where you can work out it.  Flip the unit over and you will see a small silver sticker.  This sticker will need to be peeled back.  Under the sticker is the circuit board in which all you will see is the green board and two small silver pins.
 
Take some rubbing alcohol on a small cloth and push it gently in there and clean the protective wax off of the pins. 
 
Next take some solder....I used 16 guage solder.....and a soldering iron.  A ball of solder will need to be dropped in between the two pins to connect them together.  If it is done incorrectly you will either have a black screen or you still won't have the ability to watch dvds or use gps while driving.
 
1.  Problem: You can't see watch dvds or use gps while driving
- Answer: the protective wax hasn't been completely removed or the solder is not touching both pins.  (Important: make sure to use high quality solder)
 
2. Problem: You turn on the unit but only see a black screen.
- When the solder was put onto the board between the pins it is touching the metal plate near by at the end of the board.  The circuit is not being completed and it is grounding out on the metal.  (Important: make sure the solder is not touching the metal plate near the end of the board)
 
If you need anything else let me know. 
Thanks,
Rick
p_gcustomerservice@yahoo.com


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Jeep Grand Cherokee '01
Infinity Gold System
Pioneer AVIC-N2 w/ rear view camera and iPod Adapter
2 8x10 LCD Headrest Monitors
2 5x7 LCD Headrest Monitors
2 JL 10 W7's, 500\1 Mono AMPS
5 Farad C




Posted By: bluebayou
Date Posted: November 28, 2005 at 8:56 AM
I tried the solder method and used a piece of wire, but when I went to clip it, the stupid cutters didnt clip the wire cleanly and the wire got pulled which took the solder points with it, the radio still works but the 197 pins are now below the level of the board. Has anyone else had this problem, and has anyone figured a way to fix it???




Posted By: grandcherokee01
Date Posted: November 28, 2005 at 12:26 PM

Yes......Well first of all, you should have experience soldering if you are going to do it, and I'm not trying to make fun of you but this is exactly why.  You didn't solder the points in the correct way, there should have been no reason to cut the wire.  You should just drip a small ball, (keyword being "drip") between the points. 

If you do it correctly you can heat up the solder enough to make it fall down into the recessed areas where the pins were.  It will still complete the circuit without the pins being there as long as you heat it up enough to get it down in the holes. 

Any questions p_gcustomerservice@yahoo.com

Rick



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Jeep Grand Cherokee '01
Infinity Gold System
Pioneer AVIC-N2 w/ rear view camera and iPod Adapter
2 8x10 LCD Headrest Monitors
2 5x7 LCD Headrest Monitors
2 JL 10 W7's, 500\1 Mono AMPS
5 Farad C




Posted By: bluebayou
Date Posted: November 29, 2005 at 9:54 AM
Ok, well thanks for not even attempting to answer my question. I actually have plenty of experience soldering, but the way i did it was to bridge the 2 points using small gauge copper wire, but when I went to cut off the excess, the wire got pulled and took the 2 points with it, leaving me with two recessed holes in the board, all functions well, but is there a way to remedy this or not??




Posted By: grandcherokee01
Date Posted: November 29, 2005 at 11:02 AM

Yes, That is what I was saying.  You shouldn't have to cut away the peice.  Just use standard iron solder, and let a small ball of solder drip between the two points and into the holes where the pins are missing.  There should be no cutting involved.  You should be able to heat up the solder enough that it breaks away from the wire and drips into the spot that you want it to. 

Basically just get the solder to sit into the holes where the pins were and then connect the two points, the pins don't need to be there.

Any questions p_gcustomerservice@yahoo.com

Rick



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Jeep Grand Cherokee '01
Infinity Gold System
Pioneer AVIC-N2 w/ rear view camera and iPod Adapter
2 8x10 LCD Headrest Monitors
2 5x7 LCD Headrest Monitors
2 JL 10 W7's, 500\1 Mono AMPS
5 Farad C




Posted By: scratchy
Date Posted: November 30, 2005 at 3:40 PM
Worked great on a D1 I installed.  The toughest part was removing the mute wire from Pioneer harness.  Tweezers helped.

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2000 Honda CRV




Posted By: heavy02gt
Date Posted: December 01, 2005 at 2:17 PM
has anyone else tried the circuit tracing pen? it seems like this would be the easiest way and most accurate to use.. any input?




Posted By: jrrose
Date Posted: December 02, 2005 at 6:25 PM

[QUOTE=heavy02gt]has anyone else tried the circuit tracing pen? it seems like this would be the easiest way and most accurate to use.. any input?[/QUO

Here's one for you. I bought a n2 on ebay. Put it in my car monday. Found this site and was reading the threads and decided to 'unlock' my unit. I took it out and behold, the tape was gone and on further looking found that someone had tried to do the bypass and did not succeed. he left a hole on one side that could not be soldered again. I read about the trace pen and decided to try it.

I went to Rat Shack today 12/2  and bought part number 6404341 contact cleaner pen and Part number 6404339 circuit writer pen.

Cleaned the area good with the cleaner pen and wiped it with a qtip. Took the circuitwriter pen and followed the directions to a t, and put down a line and filled the hole at the same time. took it out to the car and it works   GREAT . A big thankyou to the person who suggested it and I will always use the pen on boards from now on......



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JRRose




Posted By: lasthestunna
Date Posted: December 03, 2005 at 3:42 PM

I'm very new when it comes to modifying boards.  I have experience installing stereos but not messing with boards. 

Thats why I would like to know if anyone has pictures of the actual pins?  Can you post them?

Also, the CircuitWriter seems easy, but will it create any problems because the actual conductive ink lays on the board?  Will it heat, will it create a short, etc?  Any help with this question will be greatly appreciated.

Please remember, I'm very new to this and just want some help and information.

Thank you all.





Posted By: fryjr
Date Posted: December 08, 2005 at 11:39 AM
I didn't want to try to solder my N2. The Circuit Writer Pen sounded like a great idea. So I decided to try that out! Wow, it was easy and painless. Just dabbed it between the two pins, decided to use a hair dryer on it to harden it for about 30 secs. To ground the brake, I just cut the light green (brake wire) where it connects to the stereo and used a tap-in to connect it to the big black ground wire. So far so good, everything is working! Thanks for the information!




Posted By: albertwoods
Date Posted: December 09, 2005 at 4:51 AM

hey guys,

newbie to the site, but not to car audio.

I have an avic-n2 and i did the soldering bypass and it works great.

to the guys who say it blanks out the screen, you dripped solder on the board which created a connection between one or both of the pins and the board. This shorts out the radio, but does not kill the radio.  just scrape the solder off and try again.

I personally took a piece of 18 gauge speaker wire, split it into the two seperate pieces and only used one piece.

I cut it about an inch long and sliced off about 2mm of the rubber coating from both sides.

i then wrapped some solder around the exposed copper wire and tapped it with my soldering iron untill it melted to the wire.

Then I touched the wire to one pin at a time and tapped the WIRE with the soldering iron until the solder made a conection to the pins. 

I then stuffed the rest of the wire into the unit and replaced the silver sticker.

The bypass is complete and it works.

Just as some aditional info, (not sure if this has to do with the bypass) but I have xm radio hooked up and when in the navigation view, rear view, and driver view I keep getting a pop up saying, "XM Updating, Please Wait."  I press OK on the screenand it goes away briefly but then pops up again. Is anyone else having this problem?  I have had the XM hooked up now for going on three months.  I doubt it takes that long to update.  Any info regarding this would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Alan Adams



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2002 jeep liberty 3.7l
avic-n2 completely bypassed (no switches, just solder), gex-p10xmt, cd-vc1 voice rec., nd-bc1 rear view camera, cd-r5 remote




Posted By: draggindakota
Date Posted: December 09, 2005 at 3:50 PM
I did the ciruit writer on one of my bosses n2's and it worked great. It's a little messy, so it's best to get the ink flowing on a piece of paper or something first, then trace the path. It's ben working fine for a couple of months now.

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Posted By: billy1223
Date Posted: December 12, 2005 at 9:37 AM
i just installed the avic-d1 into my 05 f150 and the bypass worked perfectly, and i also hooked a ps2 up to it so i can play games and watch movies while driving...simple as that!




Posted By: lukeforce
Date Posted: December 13, 2005 at 9:38 AM
So....Connecting the two pins allows unlimited access to the navi features while mobile...?   Or just allows u to watch dvd while mobile...?




Posted By: lukeforce
Date Posted: December 13, 2005 at 9:49 AM

lukeforce wrote:

So....Connecting the two pins allows unlimited access to the navi features while mobile...?   Or just allows u to watch dvd while mobile...?

For the AVIC-N2 of course....





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: December 13, 2005 at 11:47 AM

Both

lukeforce wrote:

So....Connecting the two pins allows unlimited access to the navi features while mobile...?   Or just allows u to watch dvd while mobile...?

For the AVIC-N2 of course....

[/QUOTE]




Posted By: jester10305
Date Posted: December 16, 2005 at 2:41 PM

This is the first time I have ever posted anything in a forum.  I waited awhile to decide whther or not to do the r-197 pin mod because I wanted to see if something else was discovered.  I finally gave in despite those "pioneer sabatoge team" posts.  We followed the directions by removing the silver sticker from the bottom, using an alcohol pen from radio shack and a Q-Tip to remove the wax.  Then we used the curcuit writer to connect the pins.  Everything works great.  No problem.  We took the silver sticker off with a razor and applied it to a wax paper for reuse.  If anything goes wrong I think I should be able to use the alcohol pen to "erase" the bridge and apply wax then reuse the sticker.  That way I still have my warranty.  Here are the links for the products that I used.  I am in no way an expert in soldering or electronics but I did this with no problem at all.

CurcuitWriter:  https://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productid=2104395&cp

ContactCleaner:  https://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productid=2103701&cp

Does anybody know how to do the Tri-Zone capability of the AVIC-N2?  I thought that the NAVI can be on the main screen, while dvd is on the external screens, and listen to the radio all at the same time.





Posted By: heavy02gt
Date Posted: December 16, 2005 at 9:13 PM
i finally got around to installing the N2 today, went out to radio shack, used the circuit tracing pen on the R197 connection, and it works great! absolutely love it




Posted By: mxmfr
Date Posted: December 16, 2005 at 9:57 PM
I just purchased one of these and it had a red sticker dot about the size of a penny on the box. I asked the installer if he knew about the bypass by soldering the two r-197 pins. he did and he told me the red dot sticker on the box meant it was a newer version and could not be bypassed like that. is this true? anyone know what the sticker means?




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: December 16, 2005 at 10:51 PM

The installer is an idiot.  Hope you didn't let him install your unit.  The sticker only indicates what version of software it was shipped with. 

mxmfr] wrote:

just purchased one of these and it had a red sticker dot about the size of a penny on the box. I asked the installer if he knew about the bypass by soldering the two r-197 pins. he did and he told me the red dot sticker on the box meant it was a newer version and could not be bypassed like that. is this true? anyone know what the sticker means?





Posted By: mxmfr
Date Posted: December 17, 2005 at 6:21 AM
thanks for the quick reply. it hasnt been installed yet.i was going to install it myself but because of the price of the unit i wanted to make sure the warranty will be good by having a pioneer dealer install it. When i do the mod i will do it with the circuit writer to connect the pins.I will take the silver sticker off with a razor. If anything goes wrong I think I should be able to use the alcohol pen to "erase" the bridge and apply wax then reuse the sticker.  That way I still have my warranty.  as per jester10305.




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: December 17, 2005 at 1:46 PM

Yes

scarface78 wrote:

Question about AVIC-N2. I did the BYPASS on my Unit and it works prefect. My question is: I'm running software VERSION 1.1 if I upgrade my AVIC-N2 to software version 1.2 will the BYPASS still work? Please let me know.





Posted By: mxmfr
Date Posted: December 17, 2005 at 3:28 PM

as stated here for the AVIC-N2 lockout bypass:  Underneath the MAIN unit (not the hideaway) is a small silver sticker, peel this back.  There are two contacts with the label "R197".  Drop a bit of solder between these to connect them. Also, you must ground the Parking Brake wire.

my installer told me you dont ground the brake wire anymore that was for the N1. he said it needs resistance.

so do you ground or do you add resistance to the wire?





Posted By: jester10305
Date Posted: December 17, 2005 at 5:22 PM
I have the AVIC-N2.  How do I get the software version 1.2 and what are the updates?  I have version 1.1.  Is it worth upgrading?  I hope it does not interfere with my bypass.




Posted By: jester10305
Date Posted: December 17, 2005 at 5:28 PM
ground the parking brake wire!  Follow the directions.  Nothing has changed.




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: December 17, 2005 at 7:36 PM

Register your product on their website.  It fixes a few bugs (like the updating message from the navtraffic xm tuner.)  It does not affect the bypass

jester10305 wrote:

I have the AVIC-N2.  How do I get the software version 1.2 and what are the updates?  I have version 1.1.  Is it worth upgrading?  I hope it does not interfere with my bypass.





Posted By: bajaclawz71
Date Posted: December 18, 2005 at 6:59 PM
whtcrxghst wrote:

Register your product on their website.  It fixes a few bugs (like the updating message from the navtraffic xm tuner.)  It does not affect the bypass

jester10305 wrote:

I have the AVIC-N2.  How do I get the software version 1.2 and what are the updates?  I have version 1.1.  Is it worth upgrading?  I hope it does not interfere with my bypass.


I registered a few months ago and still have not received any new software.





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: December 18, 2005 at 7:40 PM

Try calling then.  They may have only sent it to people that complained of the NavTraffic issue

bajaclawz71 wrote:

whtcrxghst wrote:

Register your product on their website.  It fixes a few bugs (like the updating message from the navtraffic xm tuner.)  It does not affect the bypass

jester10305 wrote:

I have the AVIC-N2.  How do I get the software version 1.2 and what are the updates?  I have version 1.1.  Is it worth upgrading?  I hope it does not interfere with my bypass.


I registered a few months ago and still have not received any new software.






Posted By: davebolton
Date Posted: December 19, 2005 at 7:09 PM
Just did the AVIC-D1 Bypass on my new unit from crutchfield and it works like a Champ. For all you 04 f150 owners the reverse signal wire is the black wire w/ a pink stripe in the door channel on the drivers side and the VSS senser is the Gray wire w/ a black stripe on the factory wiring harness. I don't have a video unit yet, but I'm looking for some. I may just go with a PS2 or something along that line. Again. AVIC-D1 bypass works! I hope a senior member posts this answer soon. I was kinda worried doing it but it was easy and I don't even know what it's like to be locked out of anything.




Posted By: onesicks10
Date Posted: December 19, 2005 at 9:04 PM

everyone is saying ground the parking brake wire when the instructions are telling you to connect it to the POWER side of the Parking brake wire.  Does applying the bypass to the R197 pins change that?.. It says it in plain text on page 11. Light Green - Used to detect the ON/OFF status of the parking brake.  This lead must be connected to the power supply side of the parking brake switch. If this connection is made incorrectly or omitted, certain functions of your navigation system will be unusable.





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: December 19, 2005 at 9:16 PM

Ground the wire.  Its been posted here a dozen times.  The manual states that because it is instructing you how to install the unit "properly" but when you install it properly, it locks you out, so don't follow the manual.  Do the R197 bypass and ground the light green parking brake wire.  End of story

onesicks10 wrote:

everyone is saying ground the parking brake wire when the instructions are telling you to connect it to the POWER side of the Parking brake wire.  Does applying the bypass to the R197 pins change that?.. It says it in plain text on page 11. Light Green - Used to detect the ON/OFF status of the parking brake.  This lead must be connected to the power supply side of the parking brake switch. If this connection is made incorrectly or omitted, certain functions of your navigation system will be unusable.






Posted By: options20002001
Date Posted: December 21, 2005 at 11:56 PM
Am I doing something wrong?

I installed my AVIC-D1 today. Did the mod by inserting a pin into the empty slot (next to the ground wire). Attached this wire to the green brake wire and grounded them both. Turned the car on. Immediately the NAV unit turns on and a warning comes....something like "CAUTION: System detected improper connection of parking brake lead........Please check manual for safe operation. OK." I press OK and it then goes into regular operation. Is this normal? Do others (who have successfully done AVIC-D1 mod) see this warning? How do you get rid of it?

I haven't tried anything else yet....except the built-in CD player. Sounds fantastic.

Is there a way to turn the unit completely off? My amps are connected to it and I don't want them to be on all the time when the car is running!!

Thanks for helping this newbie.

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Options
Houston, TX




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: December 22, 2005 at 3:29 AM

That message went away on mine after a couple hundred miles.  As for your amps, I responded to your other post but there is no real reason to turn your amps off while the car is running.  If no music is playing, it is very very little draw on your electrical system and it is charging anyway.  It would only be a problem if your amps were staying on while the car was off

options20002001 wrote:

Am I doing something wrong?

I installed my AVIC-D1 today. Did the mod by inserting a pin into the empty slot (next to the ground wire). Attached this wire to the green brake wire and grounded them both. Turned the car on. Immediately the NAV unit turns on and a warning comes....something like "CAUTION: System detected improper connection of parking brake lead........Please check manual for safe operation. OK." I press OK and it then goes into regular operation. Is this normal? Do others (who have successfully done AVIC-D1 mod) see this warning? How do you get rid of it?

I haven't tried anything else yet....except the built-in CD player. Sounds fantastic.

Is there a way to turn the unit completely off? My amps are connected to it and I don't want them to be on all the time when the car is running!!

Thanks for helping this newbie.





Posted By: options20002001
Date Posted: December 22, 2005 at 9:15 AM
Thanks a lot. I guess I will just have to wait for this message to go away then.

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Options
Houston, TX




Posted By: mxmfr
Date Posted: December 24, 2005 at 1:53 PM
worked on my avic-n2. very easy and no problems.




Posted By: southparktx
Date Posted: December 24, 2005 at 8:44 PM

mxmfr] wrote:

orked on my avic-n2. very easy and no problems.

Also Worked On My AVIC N-2,I Grabbed my soldering iron,went and purchased some new electrical solder since i do value my $1500+ Pioneer Unit.Broke down my dash and pulled my unit out my cadilac,unpluged everything,took my unit in the house,un-screwed those tiny four screws on the front someone forgot to mention! slide my unit out the sleeve,found that lil silver sticker,peeled it back and revealed the two diods,put my solder line on the two diods and carefully melted a small bead and worked with it between the two contacts where it eventually settled evenly.and to finish it off,i took my glue gun and dropped a bead of hot glue on top to make sure that for future reference nothing goes anywhere.i nervously put my unit back together.losing that silver sticker somehow,anyway i plugged all my connections back up,put my dash back together,loaded my software dvd again and set everything,took a drive to get something to eat,and pumped my four 12" HX2's and two 15" solobarics driven by my PPI's and began smilling all the way there! no prohibitted screen! Yessss!Then ofcourse i had to check my navigation ,it  works perfectlly! Yesssss! It Worked! Thank You! Now its the radio i allways wanted. (except the fact it doesnt play WMA).Not a problem i just converted all my audio that was in WMA to MP3 with a converter off the net.



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IF THERE IS A WILL THERE IS A WAY




Posted By: acdgotcurb
Date Posted: December 27, 2005 at 9:11 PM
Yes, I am a new member but I just tried the bypass and it works perfectly.  I have an N-2 that now shows all the menus and nav features on the move. However I did not want to scrape my warranty so I came up with a really cool way of jumping the terminals.  I took a small piece of aluminum foil, approx 1/8" x 1/2" and then stuck it to a small piece of packaging tape approx. 1/8" larger in all directions. I then with a pair of tweezers placed the tape and foil combination over the teminals.  I then placed a small piece of foam in the hole and replaced the factory foil tape. The foam will keep light presure on the aluminum foil so that a good contact with the terminals is maintained. Wa La. It works great. With this method you can always remove the aluminum foil jumper and return it to stock if a warranty problem ever arises. Hope this helps. Be assured that this mod really does work!!!!!!!!!




Posted By: akyyyy
Date Posted: December 28, 2005 at 3:56 AM

i just got one ... going to install in my cadillac CTS... 2005, anyone else install this unit in a CTS?  dont know how it's gonna be because of the info center in my car.





Posted By: akyyyy
Date Posted: December 29, 2005 at 5:14 AM
another thing, any instructions on how to install this unit of different cars? or should i have someone do this for me, if getting someone to do it for me (a shop) should i do the bypass (jumping the pins) myself using a curcuit pen or have the installer do this?

thanks for everything




Posted By: akyyyy
Date Posted: December 29, 2005 at 1:13 PM
i tired to find the small sticker on the back on the unit and i cannot find it, can someone show me a pic of something? i hope pioneer didnt correct this as i just got my unit a few days ago




Posted By: deenasty
Date Posted: December 29, 2005 at 3:58 PM
So has anyone confirmed that this bypass does void warranty? I just got mine yesterday, and I am debating on doing this or not.  The aluminum foil trick sounds interesting though..




Posted By: solo-1
Date Posted: December 29, 2005 at 7:04 PM
worked just like a charm on my n2 thanks




Posted By: deenasty
Date Posted: December 30, 2005 at 12:22 AM
I did the aluminum foil one on my n2 today, worked like a charm!




Posted By: the purchaser
Date Posted: December 31, 2005 at 8:31 PM

acdgotcurb you get mad props!! Aluminum foil with small packing peanut works soooo well!!

The only thing you want to still really be carefull on is removing the silver sticker. Make sure you get that bad boy heated up good, or else it will loose the glue on it. I guess you could always apply more if you had to send the unit in for some reason.

Got mine in today. Looks like the NAV and DVD work, well and I'm not hooked up to the reverse light indicator or VCM (Vehicle control module). Can someone explain to me the advantage of hooking up these two things?

It got to dark to finnish, but I do plan on doing it with a really bad hangover tomorrow!!





Posted By: abadgti
Date Posted: January 01, 2006 at 5:11 PM
Just so im clear. Is it true that if you have the N1 with updated software the bypass wont work? Cause I have the N1 and grounded the ebrake wire and I can't watch DVDs while driving. When I get over 5mph the warning screen pops up. Can anyone help? THanks.




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: January 01, 2006 at 5:17 PM

It is true.  No bypass for N1s with the cndv50 software

abadgti wrote:

Just so im clear. Is it true that if you have the N1 with updated software the bypass wont work? Cause I have the N1 and grounded the ebrake wire and I can't watch DVDs while driving. When I get over 5mph the warning screen pops up. Can anyone help? THanks.





Posted By: abadgti
Date Posted: January 01, 2006 at 6:34 PM
Im not even sure what software is on it. Im guessing its the update since the bypass didn't work. Is it possible to reinstall the old software??




Posted By: akyyyy
Date Posted: January 01, 2006 at 8:07 PM
i cannot find this sticker, i have no silver sticker on the bottom of my N2, can someone help me or should me a pic.. i will take a pic of my unit in a few hrs, pls let me know




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: January 01, 2006 at 8:16 PM

Look at your nav disk.  Tealish is CNDV50, Yellow is the one CNDV40

abadgti wrote:

Im not even sure what software is on it. Im guessing its the update since the bypass didn't work. Is it possible to reinstall the old software??





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: January 01, 2006 at 8:21 PM

Did you take the cage off?

akyyyy wrote:

i cannot find this sticker, i have no silver sticker on the bottom of my N2, can someone help me or should me a pic.. i will take a pic of my unit in a few hrs, pls let me know





Posted By: akyyyy
Date Posted: January 01, 2006 at 8:51 PM
sticker is yellow and no i did not take anything off... was i suppose to? if so, please advise on how to take this 'cage' off... i think i know what you're refering to, but i might be mistaken, can u explain on the cage. i think you're talking about that sleeve that goes over the unit, slides on... i tried sliding it off but it's screwed onto the from back of the face (on the black part) do i remove any screws?

thanks




Posted By: abadgti
Date Posted: January 01, 2006 at 9:14 PM
So if I get the yellow disc would I be able to bypass the DVD safeguard?




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: January 01, 2006 at 11:07 PM

Unscrew the four little screws and slide off the cage.  The silver sticker should be obvious once you do that. 

akyyyy wrote:

sticker is yellow and no i did not take anything off... was i suppose to? if so, please advise on how to take this 'cage' off... i think i know what you're refering to, but i might be mistaken, can u explain on the cage. i think you're talking about that sleeve that goes over the unit, slides on... i tried sliding it off but it's screwed onto the from back of the face (on the black part) do i remove any screws?

thanks





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: January 01, 2006 at 11:10 PM

Yes, you will have to revert back to that software version though.  You can probably find out how on this board or there are people selling it on ebay

abadgti wrote:

So if I get the yellow disc would I be able to bypass the DVD safeguard?





Posted By: abadgti
Date Posted: January 02, 2006 at 7:09 AM
I found the disc on Ebay. Do I have to do anything other than just resetting the radio and then inserting the older disc?




Posted By: akyyyy
Date Posted: January 03, 2006 at 2:57 AM

thanks ill do this... just wondering, what is that cage used for anyway?

whtcrxghst wrote:

Unscrew the four little screws and slide off the cage.  The silver sticker should be obvious once you do that. 

akyyyy wrote:

sticker is yellow and no i did not take anything off... was i suppose to? if so, please advise on how to take this 'cage' off... i think i know what you're refering to, but i might be mistaken, can u explain on the cage. i think you're talking about that sleeve that goes over the unit, slides on... i tried sliding it off but it's screwed onto the from back of the face (on the black part) do i remove any screws?

thanks






Posted By: akyyyy
Date Posted: January 03, 2006 at 2:58 AM

thanks ill do this... just wondering, what is that cage used for anyway?

whtcrxghst wrote:

Unscrew the four little screws and slide off the cage.  The silver sticker should be obvious once you do that. 

akyyyy wrote:

sticker is yellow and no i did not take anything off... was i suppose to? if so, please advise on how to take this 'cage' off... i think i know what you're refering to, but i might be mistaken, can u explain on the cage. i think you're talking about that sleeve that goes over the unit, slides on... i tried sliding it off but it's screwed onto the from back of the face (on the black part) do i remove any screws?

thanks






Posted By: full_flex
Date Posted: January 03, 2006 at 7:55 AM
[QUOTE=akyyyy]

thanks ill do this... just wondering, what is that cage used for anyway?

[QUOTE=whtcrxghst]

You put the cage in first (unscrewed from the AVIC-N2) you can then bend the brackets on the top and bottom of the cage to secure it to the opening where you will be installing the in-dash.  Then slide the AVIC-N2 back into the cage and screw the four small screws back into the cage to keep the in-dash from moving.  You can also adjust the black brackets on the sides of the in-dash according to how much you need the unit to come out from the dash.





Posted By: jsmithsole
Date Posted: January 03, 2006 at 9:35 PM
Yes I am a newb but have been reading for a while, I read this thread start to finish and when I went get my AVIC-N2 installed the installers knew about this and said that their Pioneer rep told them how to do it. Works great with no problems! Thanks to all!

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2004 Maxima
Pioneer Avic-N2
JL Subs/Amp
Rear View Cam
60gb IPOD Video




Posted By: beefey
Date Posted: January 04, 2006 at 7:13 PM

Please tell me why I cant just use conductive pen?

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Posted By: jester10305
Date Posted: January 04, 2006 at 9:34 PM
You can use the conductive pen.  I used it and it worked.  Just use an alcohol based contact cleaner pen first to ensure good contact.




Posted By: full_flex
Date Posted: January 05, 2006 at 10:56 AM

jester10305 wrote:

You can use the conductive pen.  I used it and it worked.  Just use an alcohol based contact cleaner pen first to ensure good contact.

I used both pens mentioned above when I got my AVIC-N2 before new years and it was a complete success.  Fully bypassed.  Thanks again.





Posted By: beefey
Date Posted: January 05, 2006 at 2:42 PM

when every1 on the board seems to be worried about melting wax on the board this seems a very logical alternative does it not? Are there any disadvantages to this method?

-thanx

Scott





Posted By: mxmfr
Date Posted: January 05, 2006 at 7:46 PM
no disadvantage. it works great. I use these pens all the time when i mod xboxs and ps2s.




Posted By: dreaddi
Date Posted: January 08, 2006 at 5:56 PM
I have the done the N2 bypass and eveything seemed okay but when i begin to drive the functions lockout again. What is the problem with my system?

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Come Correct or Get Checked




Posted By: dstang24
Date Posted: January 09, 2006 at 2:09 AM
From what I understand from a fellow installer who has done the bypass... The parking brake wire must be on a toggle switch with ground and toggled every time.  Did you do this?




Posted By: full_flex
Date Posted: January 09, 2006 at 6:03 AM

dreaddi wrote:

< language=>postamble(); I have the done the N2 bypass and eveything seemed okay but when i begin to drive the functions lockout again. What is the problem with my system?

Did you ground the parking brake wire?  No toggle switch needed.





Posted By: dreaddi
Date Posted: January 10, 2006 at 2:45 PM

I have ground it to the same ground wire as the radio. I know i soldered correctly for after i have done that and touched the parking wire to ground everything came up except my traffic nav. When i connect everything and begin to pull off it locked up again.

Now one more question, i had a N1 and it was stolen then i got a N2 but i use the same antenna would this give me the no traffic funtion for i have paid for the service already?



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Come Correct or Get Checked




Posted By: amb4life
Date Posted: January 10, 2006 at 9:15 PM

Hello Peeps: I have a question and a comment for you all:

Back in June of 2005 i bought a AVIC-D1 with the 1.2 version map disc. I did the harness wire mod and it worked fine for a month or so and then the unit started giveing me problems. I dont think they are related to the mod however. THe navi is freezing contantly .  i can go for mile and the map freezes then it will come back to where i am located. Anyways it keps gettign worse and worse well finally last week i decided to exchange it from where i bought it. I get it home today and swap the unit out of the dash : check the map disc to make sure i didnt have a different version and everythign looks good. I boot the unit up and the first thing i notice that is difference is a screen the states teh the parking break wire is not properly installed or the navi is inilizing upon initialization or fix of the parking breakl wire the message will go away. you press ok and then the normal navio map agreement window is there. you click ok and everythign seems to be normal. all functions and movies even play via input. Now this is where things relaly change. sitting still in the car everythign is fine however when you move past 10 mph or so a attention screen appears in the screen and states that watching a movie is not permitted while driving. HMMM i have neever seem this one before and have done the mods on many D1's..... now it seems as though the D1 now is gyro driven and shuts out at 10mph or so. I didnt check the harware revision on the old unit however if my memory serves me correctly i think it is diffferent. ....

So any help is great...................thanks guys (and some girls) 



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Eclipse 5435
US Amps Merlin MD2 x 2
US Amps Merlin MD42
Kicker Solo X 18"
MB Quart QSD216 x 2




Posted By: full_flex
Date Posted: January 12, 2006 at 7:49 AM
dreaddi wrote:

< language=>postamble(); I have ground it to the same ground wire as the radio. I know i soldered correctly for after i have done that and touched the parking wire to ground everything came up except my traffic nav. When i connect everything and begin to pull off it locked up again.

Now one more question, i had a N1 and it was stolen then i got a N2 but i use the same antenna would this give me the no traffic funtion for i have paid for the service already?


Ok, every ground wire should have it's own ground.  Don't use the same one, just ground the parking brake wire somewhere else.  Also, once you connect the AVIC and ground, try resetting it, sometimes the system just needs to be reset so that the NavTraffic info works again.





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: January 12, 2006 at 11:58 AM

The parking brake message will go away with time, or at least mine did.  As for the other one, maybe your "extra" ground wire came loose in the swap.  Make sure that pin is snapped in all the way

amb4life wrote:

Hello Peeps: I have a question and a comment for you all:

Back in June of 2005 i bought a AVIC-D1 with the 1.2 version map disc. I did the harness wire mod and it worked fine for a month or so and then the unit started giveing me problems. I dont think they are related to the mod however. THe navi is freezing contantly .  i can go for mile and the map freezes then it will come back to where i am located. Anyways it keps gettign worse and worse well finally last week i decided to exchange it from where i bought it. I get it home today and swap the unit out of the dash : check the map disc to make sure i didnt have a different version and everythign looks good. I boot the unit up and the first thing i notice that is difference is a screen the states teh the parking break wire is not properly installed or the navi is inilizing upon initialization or fix of the parking breakl wire the message will go away. you press ok and then the normal navio map agreement window is there. you click ok and everythign seems to be normal. all functions and movies even play via input. Now this is where things relaly change. sitting still in the car everythign is fine however when you move past 10 mph or so a attention screen appears in the screen and states that watching a movie is not permitted while driving. HMMM i have neever seem this one before and have done the mods on many D1's..... now it seems as though the D1 now is gyro driven and shuts out at 10mph or so. I didnt check the harware revision on the old unit however if my memory serves me correctly i think it is diffferent. ....

So any help is great...................thanks guys (and some girls) 






Posted By: dreaddi
Date Posted: January 13, 2006 at 12:07 PM
full_flex wrote:

dreaddi wrote:

< language=>postamble(); I have ground it to the same ground wire as the radio. I know i soldered correctly for after i have done that and touched the parking wire to ground everything came up except my traffic nav. When i connect everything and begin to pull off it locked up again.

Now one more question, i had a N1 and it was stolen then i got a N2 but i use the same antenna would this give me the no traffic funtion for i have paid for the service already?


Ok, every ground wire should have it's own ground.  Don't use the same one, just ground the parking brake wire somewhere else.  Also, once you connect the AVIC and ground, try resetting it, sometimes the system just needs to be reset so that the NavTraffic info works again.


I will do this for i have done the reset before on both the head and brain. This did get it to work for a few lapse in the parking lot but the NavTraffic didn't work but when shutting down then powering back up...the system locked out again when driving off as before. I will do another installation of the radio to have a complete clean install with advice from you in here. Now when i add the Xpv dvd changer; how would i install the parking brake wire?



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Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: January 13, 2006 at 1:45 PM

To ground

dreaddi wrote:

I will do this for i have done the reset before on both the head and brain. This did get it to work for a few lapse in the parking lot but the NavTraffic didn't work but when shutting down then powering back up...the system locked out again when driving off as before. I will do another installation of the radio to have a complete clean install with advice from you in here. Now when i add the Xpv dvd changer; how would i install the parking brake wire?




Posted By: tritop
Date Posted: January 15, 2006 at 1:55 AM
I normally don't repond to forums but in this case I feel obligated.  I recently bought a new N2 on the internet new for $1,110.00.  I had it installed and made the modification as outlined in the instructions.  It work like a champ.  I have had no problems what so ever.  Additionally, I had a switch put in that allows the system to work as designed in case I need to shut it off.  This really works.




Posted By: dreaddi
Date Posted: January 15, 2006 at 4:49 AM

tritop wrote:

I normally don't repond to forums but in this case I feel obligated.  I recently bought a new N2 on the internet new for $1,110.00.  I had it installed and made the modification as outlined in the instructions.  It work like a champ.  I have had no problems what so ever.  Additionally, I had a switch put in that allows the system to work as designed in case I need to shut it off.  This really works.

What switch did you installed?



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Posted By: o0odvs1o0o
Date Posted: January 16, 2006 at 10:55 AM
There seems to be a few knuckleheads that JUST cant do this... I am having my installer do the solder trick to my N2 tomorrow and will post what happens... I think the reason behind some of you not being able to do this is you forget ONE crucial step... grounding the break!! There are just too many people on here that say it works and was so simple to do... again, I will post the results tomorrow night (Tues. 1-17-2006) or Wednesday 1-18-2006!!

L8r! posted_image

p.s. the thought of Pioneer or any company for that matter having a team of people out there to sabotage your units so you will have to buy a new one is so dumb, I cant believe any of you would actually believe this! Do you think a huge company like this needs to rely on you buying a new unit due to messing up your warranty? get real!




Posted By: bwollert
Date Posted: January 16, 2006 at 5:08 PM

Regarding the AVIC-N2 bypass!  I have an electronic background on both theory and hands-on.  I read in one comment that there would be a connector on the pins if pioneer wanted to use R-197.  Not true if they wanted to bridge two processors or circuits they would just put in a jumper bar.  I did the bypass on the back of the unit and everything is opened up.  If you do not have soldering skills though I recommend that you get a professional to do it for you.  You need a low powered solder iron and a steady hand.





Posted By: dreaddi
Date Posted: January 16, 2006 at 5:28 PM
There are alot of people who saids it works for them and many others have made many more connection than soldering the two R-197 connections. There are some who have done it and still hvaing problems with it for they opened another forum talking about the gps connection. So who knows what revision of the N2 board in their system that can be also a problem. It could be they are grounding to the wrong ground(radio as i was told). Never put down another for what he can't do just help for i bet you may not be able to trial a murder case or do an accountants job so what maybe simple to you maybe a task to them.

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Posted By: o0odvs1o0o
Date Posted: January 17, 2006 at 4:27 PM
Well, as promised, I have returned to let you all know the results of my AVIC-N2 install... I went today to have my installer do the 'solder trick' to the AVIC-N2, and it took him about 2 minutes to do it! Just peeled back the silver tape and then put a bit of solder between the 2 points, oila!! works like a charm! just the way it SHOULD! It should be shipped this way with a disclaimer and option to change it... anyway, I can now watch movies and perform all nav functions while driving! My camera, voice module, remote and every other function works PERFECT, exactly how it used to and it even works better now! I have a 2004 Mercedes CLK 500 AMG posted_image, so if it works with my car, it will work on yours!! Do be warned, the only 'problem' is that it will void your Pioneer warranty... big whoop! Id rather have these features and worry about the warranty later!! posted_image I do recommend having a professional do the install and especially this mod, unless you really know what you are doing... It was like pulling teeth just getting a person to do the install in my car, noone is able to do it on this particular car due to the fiber optic connections it has, so I had to go through my Mercedes rep who knew of one person in the area that works on these cars all the time, he was great and did a fantastic job with everything!! It is worth getting someone who knows what they are doing, as the install gets done very cleanly... my camera is located BEHIND my license plate and all you see is a small hole! not the cam... nice!... remember we are talking about a $1,000+ piece of equipment, and you wouldnt really want to have a $1,000 paper weight would you? posted_image ***Those people who say it does not work, either 1: Are lying or 2: dont know what the hell they are doing, tried it and screwed their unit up!*** BOTTOM LINE- THE SOLDER MOD WORKS 100% PEFFECT!!!




Posted By: dreaddi
Date Posted: January 17, 2006 at 5:35 PM

o0odvs1o0o wrote:

Well, as promised, I have returned to let you all know the results of my AVIC-N2 install... I went today to have my installer do the 'solder trick' to the AVIC-N2, and it took him about 2 minutes to do it! Just peeled back the silver tape and then put a bit of solder between the 2 points, oila!! works like a charm! just the way it SHOULD! It should be shipped this way with a disclaimer and option to change it... anyway, I can now watch movies and perform all nav functions while driving! My camera, voice module, remote and every other function works PERFECT, exactly how it used to and it even works better now! I have a 2004 Mercedes CLK 500 AMG posted_image, so if it works with my car, it will work on yours!! Do be warned, the only 'problem' is that it will void your Pioneer warranty... big whoop! Id rather have these features and worry about the warranty later!! posted_image I do recommend having a professional do the install and especially this mod, unless you really know what you are doing... It was like pulling teeth just getting a person to do the install in my car, noone is able to do it on this particular car due to the fiber optic connections it has, so I had to go through my Mercedes rep who knew of one person in the area that works on these cars all the time, he was great and did a fantastic job with everything!! It is worth getting someone who knows what they are doing, as the install gets done very cleanly... my camera is located BEHIND my license plate and all you see is a small hole! not the cam... nice!... remember we are talking about a $1,000+ piece of equipment, and you wouldnt really want to have a $1,000 paper weight would you? posted_image ***Those people who say it does not work, either 1: Are lying or 2: dont know what the hell they are doing, tried it and screwed their unit up!*** BOTTOM LINE- THE SOLDER MOD WORKS 100% PEFFECT!!!

Hey you should post a pic of the car and a close shoot of the tag showing the camera. I love that car and is one of the next things on my list to buy. My Agusta is next but thanks for the info and feedback as promised....posted_image



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Posted By: ram41569
Date Posted: January 17, 2006 at 10:26 PM
I just did the bypass on my 1 week old N2.I used a Radio Shack Circuit Tracing pen and it worked like a charm.




Posted By: dreaddi
Date Posted: January 17, 2006 at 10:29 PM
Ok....last thing from me and i will see you all in another topic. Did you all use the same ground as you use with the radio or another ground?

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Posted By: ram41569
Date Posted: January 18, 2006 at 4:31 AM
Guy's say use a different ground but I used the same ground without a problem.




Posted By: n2tahoe
Date Posted: January 18, 2006 at 6:51 AM

I attempted to bypass trick on the avic n2 I soldered the two leads under the silver sticker and grounded the brake wire and it DID NOT WORK I was told that it may be because my unit was manufactured in 2005. I believe that it may have worked on the 2004 avic n2 units and pioneer made a change in 2005 and now the solder trick no longer works.

What did work to bypass on the N2. Well here it is.

I installed a toggle switch to shut off the speed sensor wire and a 2nd toggle on the brake wire.

The only way to bypass the N2 is shut off the speed sensor switch, then turn on the brake switch and disconnect the GPS antenna from the hideaway.  My hideaway is mounted under the console with easy access by removing the cup holder. I removed the small plastic clip from the grey tip of the GPS antenna plug, this allows me to plug and unplug the antenna much easier. This allows me to watch dvd while driving, without using the rear camera input.

Also shutting off the speed sens switch while the GPS antenna is plugged in allows me to use all of the Navigation features while moving, such as simply hitting the return home feature, and address lookup.

Does anyone know if it would be possible to install a toggle switch on the GPS antenna? If this is possible please let me know.

I do not want to cut the wire as it may interupt the impedance. How would I add a switch to the antenna, I went to radio shack and the sales rep scratched his head and couldn't help. The closest i got to a solution was at Fryes where I found a Garmin GPS antenna connector that will convert the avic antenna conection to a RCA cable. I would have costed about 40 bucks for the parts to even attempt to install a switch on the GPS antenna without cutting the wire.



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Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: January 18, 2006 at 11:50 AM

Pioneer did not change anything during production.  We did one that was manu. Sept. 2005 and it took all of 30 seconds to bypass just like the rest.  Maybe the protective wax around the leads was your problem, or a bad ground

n2tahoe wrote:

I attempted to bypass trick on the avic n2 I soldered the two leads under the silver sticker and grounded the brake wire and it DID NOT WORK I was told that it may be because my unit was manufactured in 2005. I believe that it may have worked on the 2004 avic n2 units and pioneer made a change in 2005 and now the solder trick no longer works.

What did work to bypass on the N2. Well here it is.

I installed a toggle switch to shut off the speed sensor wire and a 2nd toggle on the brake wire.

The only way to bypass the N2 is shut off the speed sensor switch, then turn on the brake switch and disconnect the GPS antenna from the hideaway.  My hideaway is mounted under the console with easy access by removing the cup holder. I removed the small plastic clip from the grey tip of the GPS antenna plug, this allows me to plug and unplug the antenna much easier. This allows me to watch dvd while driving, without using the rear camera input.

Also shutting off the speed sens switch while the GPS antenna is plugged in allows me to use all of the Navigation features while moving, such as simply hitting the return home feature, and address lookup.

Does anyone know if it would be possible to install a toggle switch on the GPS antenna? If this is possible please let me know.

I do not want to cut the wire as it may interupt the impedance. How would I add a switch to the antenna, I went to radio shack and the sales rep scratched his head and couldn't help. The closest i got to a solution was at Fryes where I found a Garmin GPS antenna connector that will convert the avic antenna conection to a RCA cable. I would have costed about 40 bucks for the parts to even attempt to install a switch on the GPS antenna without cutting the wire.






Posted By: o0odvs1o0o
Date Posted: January 18, 2006 at 12:09 PM
Exactly! My N2 is BRAND NEW also, manufactured 10-2005! And it took my guy all of 30 seconds to do the solder mod... it took him MORE time to remove the damn silver sticker than to do the mod!! (I wanted to save the sticker, just in case) posted_image   Anyway, like I said, there are ONLY 2 reasons some people say it doesnt work:

1. They are lying
2. They are not doing something correctly!! (ie; not taking the wax off before soldering the leads, not grounding the parking brake, not soldering correctly, etc) AGAIN! I can not stress this enough, IF you are not 100% confident to do this yourself, hire a pro! its worth the few dollars of peace and mind and being free of agrevation!!!!

THIS WORKS!! 100% I was even a 'bit' skeptible about it... I like you, did not want to ruin my $1,300 head unit!! I read EVERY post on here and even called Pioneer, and got them to CONFIRM this trick before doing it, they DID tell me that it would void the warranty though. If you want your nav to work the way IT SHOULD, nav functions working during driving and your passengers being able to watch a movie while driving.. I back this mod 1,000%... if you have ANY doubts, simply dont do it! But it DOES WORK!

Also- I believe Pioneer definitly put these leads there for this trick to work, they want to sell these units but are stuck behind 'laws' telling them they need to have warning signs, etc... unfortunately, we live in a very litiguous world, people always want to sue someone and not take ownership for their mistakes!! so companies need to protect themselves by putting up warnings, etc... but Pioneer definitly put these leads there and then 'leaked' the info, they wont admit it, but they did it. Its just too simple, these TWO leads are sitting there for you to mod so these functions become active... comon!! But we know! posted_image




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: January 18, 2006 at 4:42 PM

It does seem too simple, but its simple for a reason.  Pioneer uses the same exact hardware (with different software) for the units they sell in Europe (see the AVIC-X1) and Asia.  Watching front seat video is legal there so Pioneer had to build in an easy way to make it work.  Not sure why they thought a sticker would keep people out, but it makes sense if you think about it--All they do is leave the sticker off and solder in something between the points for overseas units.

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Also- I believe Pioneer definitly put these leads there for this trick to work, they want to sell these units but are stuck behind 'laws' telling them they need to have warning signs, etc... unfortunately, we live in a very litiguous world, people always want to sue someone and not take ownership for their mistakes!! so companies need to protect themselves by putting up warnings, etc... but Pioneer definitly put these leads there and then 'leaked' the info, they wont admit it, but they did it. Its just too simple, these TWO leads are sitting there for you to mod so these functions become active... comon!! But we know! posted_image [/QUOTE]





Posted By: vulaevu
Date Posted: January 19, 2006 at 12:36 AM
My 2 cents on damn this works! Budy of mine and I took Monday afternoon out to test it. He has the D1 and i have the N2.  First i was skeptical but u never know until you try it. So wham bam thankyou mam. After soldering it, i plug it in and nothing. Screen was blank. got nervious for a min and firgured that i needed to push the reset button. And all be damn. everything works great now and hands down to the guy/girl that figured that out.  We then followed instructions on the D1 and it works great also.. ohh P.S i dont think it matters on when it was manufactored. cux mine is May of 05. Thanks again for this priceless info..




Posted By: no1see2me
Date Posted: January 19, 2006 at 10:42 PM
n2tahoe wrote:

Does anyone know if it would be possible to install a toggle switch on the GPS antenna? If this is possible please let me know.

I do not want to cut the wire as it may interupt the impedance. How would I add a switch to the antenna, I went to radio shack and the sales rep scratched his head and couldn't help. The closest i got to a solution was at Fryes where I found a Garmin GPS antenna connector that will convert the avic antenna conection to a RCA cable. I would have costed about 40 bucks for the parts to even attempt to install a switch on the GPS antenna without cutting the wire.


No it is not possible to install a switch on the GPS wire. It is coax and carries very high frequencies 'Microwave". I even doubt that you could find a relay to handle that frequency at a reasonable cost.

Now The R-197 mod does work, if it did not work for you then you have other issues such as wax insulating the connection, or you added so much solder that you grounded it out.

Now everyone has there own ways of doing this mod. I used a 0-ohm 0603 resistor in that location because it was availible to me, but I will comment on those radio shack pens. Those pens were designed to repair a trace and after that trace is repaired your supposed to tin it with solder.

What I am saying here is that in the future some if not all of you that used these radio shack pens will end up with intermittants.





Posted By: trizza
Date Posted: January 22, 2006 at 1:08 PM

For all the ppl searching this website and this post going 'wtf does this bypass for the n2 work or not?' && are scared to try it because they dont want to f*kk up there n2. IT DOES WORK . Got my audio installer to do it, and it works perfectly. The story about it being there for benchmarking purposes while testing is TRUE...im only posting this because i was one of those ppl who were skeptic about trying it but now i know..so ya...its Works. :D

-triz





Posted By: kf6kmx
Date Posted: January 23, 2006 at 7:14 AM
I'm not so much trying to get video to work (hardly watch DVD's at home, let alone on the road :)

What I am after is
1) getting the nav functions to work
(they lock the driver out of controlling it while driving... pioneer never heard of a passenger??! drives us nuts, I have to pull over and stop so my girlfriend can make changes to the route/etc...)
2) kill that %$&^# white warning that comes up EVERY time the radio powers on.. Ok, I get the point, THEY arent responsible if I'm an idiot, I am.. enough already..
Garmin units at least time out on their own after about a minute and it goes to the nav screen.. in some vehicles (large RV's for instance) that radio isnt always close to the driver and convienient to keep having to hit the screen to clear that msg.. if they want the msg there, they should have a timer in it like Garmin to clear after a certain time or distance has elapsed..

My question is, does that mod do both of those? From reading, it appears it does do the nav functions, but will it clear the annoy screen?

Thanks




Posted By: o0odvs1o0o
Date Posted: January 23, 2006 at 10:05 AM
YES, the mod will let you use all nav functions while driving. The only thing is, the warning message will still come up when you start the car, all you do is click OK, it goes away and never appears again until the next time you turn the car on/off.




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: January 23, 2006 at 12:56 PM

If you have an N2, you might consider getting the voice activation mic.  I just say OK and the screen goes away.  The bypass will fix the navi lockout

kf6kmx wrote:


2) kill that %$&^# white warning that comes up EVERY time the radio powers on.. Ok, I get the point, THEY arent responsible if I'm an idiot, I am.. enough already..
Garmin units at least time out on their own after about a minute and it goes to the nav screen.. in some vehicles (large RV's for instance) that radio isnt always close to the driver and convienient to keep having to hit the screen to clear that msg.. if they want the msg there, they should have a timer in it like Garmin to clear after a certain time or distance has elapsed..

My question is, does that mod do both of those? From reading, it appears it does do the nav functions, but will it clear the annoy screen?

Thanks





Posted By: o0odvs1o0o
Date Posted: January 23, 2006 at 1:07 PM
Exactly! the voice module is fantastic! this is a MUST for the avic-n2, Im pretty sure it works for the n1 too... but as stated by the last poster, you just say OK when the screen comes on, you do need to set the settings for auto-voice, so when the unit powers on it is ready to accept your voice commands, otherwise you just need to touch OK and that 'nag' screen will not appear until the next time you start the unit up... overall, the n2 is a great unit! I cant believe I have gone this long without nav in my car!! Plus, this nav allows you to watch movies... I just create dvds with music videos instead! this way, when a song plays the passengers can watch the video that goes along with it! very hot!! posted_image I fit about 55 music videos (give or take) onto a DVD... Have fun!!

L8r!




Posted By: cshuttle
Date Posted: January 24, 2006 at 4:27 PM

Serious problem here guys--I disconnected the unit, tried to perform the bypass, reconnected the unit, and I've got nothing. As in, the security light on the front comes on and is flashing, but the unit won't turn on.

I removed the solder, and the same result--flashing security light, no operation of the unit. Pressed the reset button multiple times, and it looks like nothing is helping out...





Posted By: o0odvs1o0o
Date Posted: January 25, 2006 at 1:40 PM
Looks like you screwed it up. Again, if you dont know what you are doing and are not a professional, DO NOT ATTEMPT THIS on your own! Hire someone to do the job!! This mod does work! I watched my guy do it. What is the model of your unit? Avic-n1 or n2?




Posted By: cshuttle
Date Posted: January 25, 2006 at 1:49 PM
It's an n2. I really can't see how it would have gotten screwed up. posted_image I really didn't do anything heroic; just got the wax off with alcohol and got some solder between the connectors...




Posted By: pursuefitness
Date Posted: January 25, 2006 at 7:11 PM
Hey guys this is great that you have finally found a way to bypass the N2 and unleash it true potential. I have a n00b question and I read all the posts and not sure if this has been discussed. I was going to buy the N1 but figure that with this bypass the N2 would be the better option. Anyway, with new map software to come do you think Pioneer will find a way to lock the n2 again with the newer software or can this be a permanent fix?

One more question other than updated maps what is the main difference between the n1 and n2?
Thanks in advance.






Posted By: o0odvs1o0o
Date Posted: January 25, 2006 at 7:18 PM
Go with the N2, its newer and better. Plus if you update the N1, Ive heard that the mod will stop working on the N1! My friend just modded his n2 also, works just like mine does, but he had the 1.1 software and then was sent the 1.2 software, he did the upgrade on the N2 and it 'still' works. Mine was modded with the 1.2 software that it came with and it works also!




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: January 25, 2006 at 10:34 PM
The N2 software also allows the NavTraffic service.  The N1 software does not.  I would go with the N2 because at least you have the possibility of using the 06 and future software in it.  In the N1, you are stuck with the 2004 software forever (its been a long time and nobody has figured how to bypass an N1 with N2 software.)  If you are really considering buying one now, I would probably wait and see if the N3 is bypassable.  It is supposed to come out in february/march at $1800 and is better than the N2.  Has full-screen display for XM and Ipod.  Just an idea...




Posted By: pursuefitness
Date Posted: January 25, 2006 at 10:41 PM
Thank You guys for the quick responses I will definitely plan on getting the N2 over the N1. The N3 is also an interesting option if I can be patient enough. Thank Guys!





Posted By: o0odvs1o0o
Date Posted: January 25, 2006 at 10:50 PM
I dont even use my ipod with my unit or the traffic service with xm... so, those things arent important. If the N3's only differences are full screen for those options, Its not for me anyway... Im MORE THAN HAPPY with my N2!!! This thing is one of the best things I have ever purchased! :)




Posted By: grandcherokee01
Date Posted: January 26, 2006 at 3:26 PM

Hello All,

The new software will not lock-out the bypass.  The whole purpose of the bypass is actually to allow pioneer to use the same unit for both the US and Europe.  The bypass is exactly the same thing that pioneer actually does to produce the unit for Europe. 

As far as for the member about 4 posts up that said his unit wouldn't work but the security light is on......You are best off to redo your solder.  Make sure that the solder is only touching the 2 points and not the metal frame nearby.  If you redo it a couple times it should work.  Sometimes it only makes just enough connection to screw with the unit.  So the screen goes black because it is confused or the connection is grounded out.  Make sure also to clean the area around the pins with some rubbing alcohol so that it makes a good connection. 

Thanks,

Rick

p_gcustomerservice@yahoo.com



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2 8x10 LCD Headrest Monitors
2 5x7 LCD Headrest Monitors
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Posted By: lasthestunna
Date Posted: January 26, 2006 at 3:50 PM

Does anyone, say someone that has the inside scoop on Pioneer, know if there will be a way to bypass the lockout feature in the new soon to be released Avic-N3?  I'm assuming there will be one and I'm thinking Pioneer will make it more difficult to bypass this safety feature.  I wish someone, Pioneer in particular, would come up with a way for the front or rear passenger to control the features the full features of the Avic while the car is in motion without us having to do this bypass.  Maybe another touchscreen monitor for the passenger side that has all the full features while in motion while the actual Avic has the limited features while in motion, but does have all the features when not in motion.  I don't know what do you think out there?  Can this be done?  Is there a better way then the present way of doing this?





Posted By: o0odvs1o0o
Date Posted: January 26, 2006 at 3:59 PM
I dont think that Pioneer is 'out to get the consumer'... in other words, they really could care less if you mod the unit to view movies or use nav... they just cant make it SIMPLE with an option in the menu or something similar, due to the morons who will kill someone while watching a movie and driving, then try to sue Pioneer. Plus, there is the unfortunate LAW of not having a movie playing in the front... which is BS... that is the reason they make it the way they do... if they wanted to BLOCK you/me/us, they would just make it so there are NO points to solder and just make another unit for Europe or just make it much more difficult. Who do you think released the solder mod in the first place? do you think it was just some guy playing with his soldering gun one day and discovered this? doubt that... so when the N3 comes out, Im confident there will be a way to do this, if not, an easier way, like the N1 (just grounding the parking brake)... Anyway, we will worry about the N3 when the N3 is 'actually' released! its not even out yet...!




Posted By: cshuttle
Date Posted: January 26, 2006 at 4:03 PM
So, considering that I managed to screw up one unit already, is there someone around here who could help me out with perfoming this hack and, in doing so, not destroy the thing?

I'm in West Chester, PA.




Posted By: nawt40
Date Posted: February 01, 2006 at 10:58 AM
Have what may be a silly question, but...if your installer will not do the bypass for you and you do the jumper bypass to the unit before he installs it, what happens to the unit when the installer hooks it up according to the manual ? Does it operate normally without the brake wire grounded and the jumper installed ?

Also, as another option for the jumper, you can use conductive adhesive tape or aluminum foil tape. Available at Home Depot and Lowes. This will insure a clean reversal of the process when needed.




Posted By: grandcherokee01
Date Posted: February 01, 2006 at 3:37 PM

The unit will operate just fine but you will have to go back in and ground the parking brake wire (light green) to either the black wire or the car chasis.  Otherwise you will have to put on your parking brake every time you want to use it.

Rick



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Jeep Grand Cherokee '01
Infinity Gold System
Pioneer AVIC-N2 w/ rear view camera and iPod Adapter
2 8x10 LCD Headrest Monitors
2 5x7 LCD Headrest Monitors
2 JL 10 W7's, 500\1 Mono AMPS
5 Farad C




Posted By: mdxer
Date Posted: February 02, 2006 at 11:46 AM

Hello people,

I'm new to the forum and I ran into this forum in the search of a way to modified my one week old AVIC N2.  I don't watch DVD when I drive but not having the full access to nav function is most ridiculous thing I ever seen.  I have no background on installation and I don't even know how to remove the unit out from the dash.  Anyone in NYC area willing to help out?  I am more than willing to pay for the service rendered.  Thank you guys in advance.





Posted By: shhnappa
Date Posted: February 03, 2006 at 9:02 AM
mdxer] wrote:

P>Hello people,

I'm new to the forum and I ran into this forum in the search of a way to modified my one week old AVIC N2.  I don't watch DVD when I drive but not having the full access to nav function is most ridiculous thing I ever seen.  I have no background on installation and I don't even know how to remove the unit out from the dash.  Anyone in NYC area willing to help out?  I am more than willing to pay for the service rendered.  Thank you guys in advance.


What town are you located in, when you say NYC?





Posted By: mdxer
Date Posted: February 03, 2006 at 9:18 AM
I can travel to NYC, Brooklyn (I work here) and Queens (I live here)




Posted By: toro1966
Date Posted: February 03, 2006 at 5:43 PM

Well, I am sold.  I haven't taken her for a test drive yet, but I just did the bypass on my 2003 Cobra vert and everything seems to work.  I won't know for sure until I take her for a test drive.  I will do that shortly, I just got done putting the dash back together.

I know I am  a newbie, but I did this bypass in about 10 minutes.  It took me about 30 minutes to get the dash out and about 15 minutes to get it back in so all in all the entire evolution from start to finish was about an hour.  Results are great.  I have  a 6 disc DVD changer that works perfectly now REGARDLESS of whether or not the parking brake is up.  I, like most people, do not intend on driving with a movie on, but it will be so nice now not to have to pull over to change my route on the NAV system!

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1966 Toronado Deluxe; 2003 10th Anniversary Cobra Convertible (Avic D1, JL Audio Amps/Separates/Sub/6 Disc DVD Changer)




Posted By: djhushd
Date Posted: February 04, 2006 at 3:06 PM
Can i use any pioneer wiring harness or do i need a AVIC harness? Can i just strip a wire and jam it in there?




Posted By: trdtim
Date Posted: February 04, 2006 at 3:19 PM

3forty7 wrote:

I didnt need the forum to learn how to bypass the n2 or the d1,I do this every day!! This forum is extremely helpful to people like you and others on this board,but as for me I am a certified tech and do this for a living. I have the tech information and provide tech information to others when I stumble upon it. I said I would not bypass the unit if it was my own simply because it will void your warranty. I install these units on a daily basis and the failure rate within a few years is too high to go without a warranty. Thats just my 2 cents.

I don't think it would void the warranty on the D1 since no soldering is involved.  It's just grounding some wires on the harness.  If you sent it in for repairs they wouldn't know.

Pleast someone correct me if i'm wrong.





Posted By: toro1966
Date Posted: February 04, 2006 at 4:14 PM
I would say you have to use a pioneer or other similiar harness.  The prolem is that the pin from the unit goes into the receptacle on the wire from the wire harness. I would say just use one of the spar wires from the harness itself.  There are two that were free on mine (meaning I wasn't using them). One was the blue power antenna wire and the other was a black and yellow wire (can't remember exactly what it was for). Just pull one of those out of the existing wire and jam it into the blank space next to the ground on the harness.  Cheers.

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1966 Toronado Deluxe; 2003 10th Anniversary Cobra Convertible (Avic D1, JL Audio Amps/Separates/Sub/6 Disc DVD Changer)




Posted By: trdtim
Date Posted: February 04, 2006 at 5:28 PM

So the Pioneer website shows the new D2, looks just like the D1 with the same exact features. Anyway,  I checked out the page for the D1 and it states that the update software is available for the D1 now to version 1.2  Anyone think this will mess with the bypass?

Here's the quote from the pioneer page

"Q:  What is the latest available software version for the AVIC-D1?
A:  The latest version is AVIC-D1 Application v1.2, and is available to registered customers (please make sure to register your AVIC-D1 here).  This update fixes several minor issues, including the 24 hour clock display, "XM Updating" screen, and general XM NavTraffic improvements."





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: February 04, 2006 at 7:06 PM

It does not affect the bypass

trdtim wrote:

So the Pioneer website shows the new D2, looks just like the D1 with the same exact features. Anyway,  I checked out the page for the D1 and it states that the update software is available for the D1 now to version 1.2  Anyone think this will mess with the bypass?

Here's the quote from the pioneer page

"Q:  What is the latest available software version for the AVIC-D1?
A:  The latest version is AVIC-D1 Application v1.2, and is available to registered customers (please make sure to register your AVIC-D1 here).  This update fixes several minor issues, including the 24 hour clock display, "XM Updating" screen, and general XM NavTraffic improvements."






Posted By: bansheebc
Date Posted: February 06, 2006 at 12:43 PM
Ok i just spent an hour reading this bypass for the Avic N-2 I am a MECP installer also, but i quit that a few years back and took a more profitable job. but my question is since i am one that wont do anything that i am not comfortable with, Is there anyone around the little rock arkasnas area or Texarkana or dallas/fortworth area that i can pay (well) to do the mod? i dont watch dvd's while i drive but that freakin lockout on the nav unit is horriable it really suxx having to pull over on the side of the interstate just so you can find a place to eat. But like i said, any people working at any stereo shop in those areas let me know your contact information so we can setup a time, my email is bansheebc88@hotmail.com




Posted By: o0odvs1o0o
Date Posted: February 07, 2006 at 2:00 PM
I am glad to see that people are looking for professional help if they feel they can not do the mod. This is good! No point ruining a very expensive unit! Anyway, I did a side by side comparison on Pioneers website for the Avic N2 and N3... there is really NO difference other than the few differences I listed below... the only differences I see is:

Detailed City Map: N2= 12 N3= 23
Whatever that means??

Composite AV input: N2= 2 N3= 1
N2 is better for this

Ipod Adapter Ready: N2= Yes (External) N3= Yes (Full Control)
Looks like the controls are on the unit itself?!

Preout Voltage: N2=2V, 100 Ohm N3= 2.2V, 1k Ohm
Big whooptie doo dah! hehe posted_image

All in all, I STILL think the N2 is better! UNLESS, you can get the N3 cheaper, which I think it is, since on the site they are showing a retail for the N2 as $2,000 and the N3 as $1,800... they are the SAME thing, just a new model name.. but for the price difference it is probably worth going with the cheaper of the two... The 'only' issue I have with this thing is that some places are not on the discs, places that should be, places that have been around for 'at least' 2 years...my home address isnt on it either, I had my house built almost 2 years ago, so that is understandable.. and I was able to 'make' the location by just finding it on the map and then telling it that 'this' is my home... all in all a great navigation unit! I find myself using the touch screen more than the voice, sometimes its just easier, but the voice nav is a MUST! Not only for 'showing off' the unit but for convenience... Also, the XM traffic option shouldnt be so much per month, its a nice option to have, but big deal, how often would you REALLY use it?! It should be like $50/year or something... well, enough of me ranting... I got things to do... hehehe...posted_image




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: February 08, 2006 at 12:34 AM

[QUOTE=o0odvs1o0o]
Detailed City Map: N2= 12 N3= 23
Whatever that means??

**If you live in one of the detailed metro areas, you can zoom in to the point of seeing the buildings, parks, stadiums, etc. mapped out exactly to how they are blueprinted.  Very cool, looks almost three dimensional.  Some are done to the point of seeing the fairways on a golf course.

Ipod Adapter Ready: N2= Yes (External) N3= Yes (Full Control)
Looks like the controls are on the unit itself?!

**The ipod display takes up the entire touchscreen, meaning you can see all the song information at once, browse through playlists, genres, albums, ect. with six lines showing up on screen instead of one like the n2.  It is also much, much, much faster.  The N2 is terribly slow when using the ipod adaptor, much improved now.

**One other thing you forgot is the full screen XM display.  Just like they had on the D1--gives you channel lists, logos, and much more song information.  Sirius is similar on the N3 but no logos

 Also, the XM traffic option shouldnt be so much per month, its a nice option to have, but big deal, how often would you REALLY use it?! It should be like $50/year or something... well, enough of me ranting... I got things to do... hehehe...posted_image [QUOTE]

**If you already have XM for audio, the traffic service is $3.99 ($47.88 per year.)

In summary, the N2 is great, the N3 is better.  And cheaper. 





Posted By: mrsqueezles
Date Posted: February 08, 2006 at 8:16 AM
If anyone's interested, I'm selling the CDNV-50MT software version 1.2 here. I have an AVIC-N1 and it works great! The NavTraffic cut my evening commute from [1 to 2.5 hours] to [20 minutes to an hour]. Pioneer accidentaly sent me 2 copies posted_image




Posted By: mrsqueezles
Date Posted: February 08, 2006 at 8:27 AM
I agree with o0odvs1o0o. The AVIC-N1 was a huge leap ahead for navigation systems. The N2 added NavTraffic, which many people don't use, but is a technological marvel. The N3 seems like a slightly tweaked N2. posted_image Why bother giving it a new model name? Why not call it an N2 version 2? Pioneer had better start innovating again or companies like Eclipse, with a navigation system with a hard drive, are going to pass them up.




Posted By: o0odvs1o0o
Date Posted: February 08, 2006 at 9:47 AM
Yup! Thats the other thing I forgot, taking the dvd out to play music or video or whatever and then having to put the nav dvd back in for all of the functions, even though it has 'memory', it only holds the info that you route first, holds no poi or anything like that. There should be a HDD (Hard Disk Drive) built in, its not difficult to do, they are tiny these days! That should have been the next one they made, N3 should have had a HDD... but then I would've been really pissed! hehehe... maybe the NEXT one should come with a HDD OR at the least an additional DVD slot...




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: February 08, 2006 at 1:36 PM
The Z1 double-din has a hard drive just like the eclipse.  The eclipse single din with HDD is going to be way overpriced for what you get




Posted By: o0odvs1o0o
Date Posted: February 08, 2006 at 3:01 PM
I did a search on the Z1- it looks like it is currently available! I wish I would've been able to get the Z1 at the time, instead of my N2!! oh well, next time... the hdd instead of a dvd is SO MUCH BETTER! DVD nav sucks... Im going to be getting the BMW X5 within the next year or so, I never buy brand new, I get my cars at 1 year old, so a majority of the cost comes off but the car is still brand new with a warranty... SO, if this X5 does not have any nav, I will definitly be getting the Z1, BUT ONLY if there is a bypass mod for the nav functions and watching movies (for passengers) while driving.. anyone know what the deal is with the Z1 nav? is there a mod for this? Thanks!




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: February 08, 2006 at 5:40 PM

At CES, they said a very small amount of Z1s will ship in March, but more readily available in April.  Probably won't know anything about a bypass until then

o0odvs1o0o wrote:

I did a search on the Z1- it looks like it is currently available! I wish I would've been able to get the Z1 at the time, instead of my N2!! oh well, next time... the hdd instead of a dvd is SO MUCH BETTER! DVD nav sucks... Im going to be getting the BMW X5 within the next year or so, I never buy brand new, I get my cars at 1 year old, so a majority of the cost comes off but the car is still brand new with a warranty... SO, if this X5 does not have any nav, I will definitly be getting the Z1, BUT ONLY if there is a bypass mod for the nav functions and watching movies (for passengers) while driving.. anyone know what the deal is with the Z1 nav? is there a mod for this? Thanks!





Posted By: bansheebc
Date Posted: February 08, 2006 at 11:14 PM
Well its for sure. Like i said earlier i am a MECP installer (was) so i went up to the place my buddy who is a first class installer works and where i used to work and we went over this forum and decieded to try this on my N2 and its true, its a 30 second mod and it works, just ground the parking wire and clean off those conacts with alchy and a flathead and drop some solder on there and bingo, i put it back in and bam works like it should work, nav, dvd all works while driving, so dont fret about doin it it works




Posted By: mrailing
Date Posted: February 12, 2006 at 11:33 AM
I have also done this on mine, strictly for the ability of changing the NAV without having to put the ebrake on.

I used the circuit tracing pen, since I had one handy and was out of solder. Worked like a charm and took a matter of 30 seconds to trace the two points.

I then cut the ground wire and attached a hidden switch in my console (near a few other hidden switches I have). This allows me to do a couple of things. If the switch is in the off position you must use the ebrake to ground the AVIC-N2. I did this for a couple of reasons. If someone borrows my car, I make sure the switch is in the off position so they can't watch movies or adjust the Navigation, they MUST have the ebrake on to change it. Also I do this so that if someone else is in the car traveling with me I can flip the switch so they can watch video on the front screen.

To do a switch like this, all you do is get a on/off switch of your liking. Go to a small electronics store or Radio Shack and get a 12 Volt compaitible switch. I prefer the little plastic button switches. They have a small surface area and don't stick up far. On the back of the switch on the off side, wire both the ground wire from the back of the stereo and the wire going to the ebrake. So in the off position is works like it would if you had it directly to the ebrake. On the on side, run a wire straight to the ground. Then when the switch is on, it's grounded always, and when off only grounded when the ebrake is on.




Posted By: outtaluck72
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 11:39 AM

I did the bypass on the D1 Friday. the empty space for the wire was above the ground wire and next to the yellow wire. make sure you hit the reset button when you power up the D1.  very easy and it works!





Posted By: mobile1
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 4:13 PM
if done correctly, will there still be a display that pops up and tells you that the unit detected your parking brake wire is incorrectly hooked up?  I just finished this install and all seems to be working fine, but that message pops up.




Posted By: dreaddi
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 9:05 PM

I haven't been here for awhile but still read the emails and yes it works...the message will popup but just hit ok or thru voice say ok and its gone until next car startup.  I have all my Nav function as it should have been from the start and dvd while i drive. No toggles or switches but i read a post to remove control when letting a friend drive your vehicle. I am going to instal such safety feature in my setup for my insurance will not be the backbone allowing them the free will to be careless in my monthly payments or paid vehicle. It just simple works so find someone to do it for you and lets move on to the next issue...

Is the N3 bypassable or not? Are the new models going to have a blockout for us folks wanting total control over our products?



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Come Correct or Get Checked




Posted By: ron_s
Date Posted: February 14, 2006 at 10:10 PM
Does anyone know if there are any ill effects when you upgrade the N1 to V50 and then reset and reinstall back to the V40 version?   Does this reset the learned data in the 3D?  Is there a problem running V50 when you want the extra map data and then reset/reinstall back to V40 when you want the ability to watch movies or input destinations while you drive? 

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Posted By: viet
Date Posted: February 15, 2006 at 4:32 AM
i messed mine up :(  i cleaned it up with alcohol before i soldered but i guess there was still a lot of insulation on there cause i could not get the solder to stick.  the solder sucked the leads up and theres no more dots there to solder together, is there any way i can still bypass using this method?  the n2 still works like normal.




Posted By: deenasty
Date Posted: February 16, 2006 at 4:34 PM
its funny I did this mode, with the aluminum foil and tape, so It can easily be removed if the unit needs to be sent back for repair, and it worked great for about 2 weeks, and now it no longer works.  I drive and it shuts the dvd off.  I pulled the silver sticker back and the mod is still in place.  Anyone know what this could be?




Posted By: viet
Date Posted: February 17, 2006 at 12:36 AM

scarface78 wrote:

You can still fix it ... just drop tiny pieces of SOLDER where two PINS use to be and then connect them ... YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFULL

i did that and it didnt work, where the pins used to be is like an orange color now and just looks like the board.  i think i just screwed myself out of a bypass. :(





Posted By: hybridamp
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 8:00 PM

I just used the trace-writer pen from radioshack, worked perfect and took less than 5 minutes.  Plus, I even erased it once with alochol to see how easy it would be to "unmod" it, worked perfect. 

Personally, I would recommend the trace writer as a extremely easy way to do it, that is easily reversable. ;)





Posted By: hybridamp
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 8:04 PM

By the way, will the new AVIC-N3 software (CNDV-60MP) work on the N2?  I'm curious as to if it would enable the newer icon style XM tuner control with better text display capabillity, since my current v1.2 N2 software is sorta lame the way it handles the XM Tuner.

And while were at it, is the AVIC-N3 even by-passable I wonder?






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