02 Odyssey Sliding Doors (Again)

Oh here we go again.

I have posted this before without a solid response, but here it goes anyway to make sure.

I have 2 different DEI documents on how to contril the sliding doors. The first one I got from this site, and I see how the set up works for the most partm but I will be using 2 aux. outputs so I will have to tweak that setup a little. Then I just found DEI document 1085, which is different so I will have to take a closer look at that ine to see how that works.

Anyway, The first thing I want to know is if I hook up my auxiliary outputs according to the diagram, will this bypass the ignition feed to the keyless entry module and allow the doors to open even with the ignition on. I am fine if the factory transmitters will not, but I am curious if the aftermarket will. and if they will, I guess I better make damn sure that those auxiliary channels dont get bumped while driving down the freeway. However unlikely that is, It is something to think about, I mean I think the aux outputs require the buttons to be held down for a few seconds, but it is not entirely unreasonable to accidently do that if you squish the second transmitter in your pocket.

Thanks guys

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J Rilla

Owner/Installer

Sounds like something that happened to the Dodge vans a couple of years back where the liftgate mechanism automatically popped open while driving. I'd be very careful about this and ensure that the AUX channel is not a 1 button push rather a combonation of buttons to engage it. At least you thought about it before you gave the van to a customer. I'll look at 1085 & some other sources again and see what I can come up with.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

Ok so I took a closer look at the 1085 document and for the most part it is the same as the one that is on this website, which is also DEI. Anyway I know how to hook it up, and My guess is that this setup will allow the doors to be opened with the ignition on, which is what I need it to do. But I also think that this setup might be safe and not allow the door to open when driving. I will have to see rhough. The reason I think this will work, is based on the idea that I think the switches work when the car is running, but it has to be in park. Hopefully the override switch that is triggered by putting the car into drive, will still work with this setup.

Anyone ever done this? I am a little curious where the switches are and if you grab the wires at the switch or somewhere else, etc.

Thanks a lot

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J Rilla

Owner/Installer

jrilla here is a diagram that i know works it duplicates the switch so i believe the doors are prevented from opening while in gear.oddyseydoors.pdf

Thanks securinu, that is the 3rd diagram that I have now. This one is different from the other 2 though and it looks like you need 3 total auxiliary outputs: 1 for each door to open and then 1 to close both. The other two diagrams us the doorpin wire to allow the aux outputs to open the door with one press and to close the door with another press. I will not count this wire diagram out though because I do have a unit with three outputs, but I am not sure which unit to sell this guy yet. Thanks for the help.

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J Rilla

Owner/Installer

Well I guess I have another question: Like I just said, the first two diagrams I got use the door trigger wire to allow one auxiliary output to open and close the doors. Actually the one on this site uses the doors alar wire: wht/blk at the security control module under drivers seat. But that setup is for opening both doors with one aux and then closing them both with a second press of that same aux. DEO doc 1085 though is set up for only one door so I would have to duplicate that diagram for the 2nd door and 2nd aux. This diagram uses the door trigger as well and actually refers to the wire that show 12v when closed and a wire that shows ground when open, but that sounds like just one wire to me. Anyway, I would need to have 2 seperate trigger wires for that setup or the second door would not open if the other door was already open because it would read the signal as a close command.

But this third diagram from securinu seems to be pretty slick if you dont mind having both doors close at the same time, which isnt really a problem, but also you have to have 3 auxiliary outputs.

So you see my dilemma. Does anyone know if each sliding door has its own trigger that is easily accessible without running wires all over the car to get them, or another solution to this issue. I want to try and use the DEI 1085 document and duplicate it for the other door, but I am not set in this way. I still have a lot of issues that need to be resolved, like the issue of the doors being able to open if the car is in drive. I am pretty confident that this will not be an issue like secuinu said, but in the case that the doors are able to open, I dont want to be left up sh*t creek.

Just in case: Is there a way to use the neutral safety switch to trigger a relay to break the continuity of the auxiliary output wires?

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J Rilla

Owner/Installer

The Honda Odyssey Sliding Doors doesn't open when the vehicle is locked. If you programmed Ignition control door lock than you don't ever have to worry the doors opening with Ignition on.

I had reviewed both wiring diagrams. Document 1085 from DEI required a 611T module. The Wire Magic diagram show it required three Aux output. This diagram was the simular to the one that I gave Jeff (Velocity Motor Sport).

The Wire Magic diagram will work the best without a module. Good luck.......

Thank a lot guys

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J Rilla

Owner/Installer

All the wires are located at the Silding door switches. It shows you on the Wire Magic Diagram. Beside, you don't need to have 3 aux output to do the job. Two aux output are good enough to open and close both doors at the sametime.

or if you have a 2 atage unlock you can use that for one of the opens. just a thought. or use a trunk release for one one and then 2nd channel for close there are many possibilities

I haven't done Odyssey sliding doors yet, although I will, becuase my mother is buying one of those vans soon.

But anyway, to answer your safety concern:

Honda keyless doesn't work with the ignition on, as you already know.

Most aftermarket alarms and remote starters will operate while the car is running under remote start, so you can enter/exit the car....... but when the car is running under its own power, the aftermarket remotes are inoperative.

If the user presses the remote while the car is running under its own power, nothing will happen.

By looking at the electrical diagram of the Honda Odyssey, you can't operate the doors if the vehicle is not in "PARK" or the vehicvle is moving.

Both Sliding doors control modules (Rear Quarter, each side) have to receive a ground signal by placing the shift lever in Park. They also receive signals from the Vehicle Speed Sensor.

For diagram 1085, the door switch are in located in the rear opening of each sliding doors and can only be accessed by the door jamb opening or by removing the rear quarter trim on each side to get to the wire that connects to the modules.

Best regards from Montreal, Canada

Robert

jrilla wrote:

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Oh here we go again.

I have posted this before without a solid response, but here it goes anyway to make sure.

I have 2 different DEI documents on how to contril the sliding doors. The first one I got from this site, and I see how the set up works for the most partm but I will be using 2 aux. outputs so I will have to tweak that setup a little. Then I just found DEI document 1085, which is different so I will have to take a closer look at that ine to see how that works.

Anyway, The first thing I want to know is if I hook up my auxiliary outputs according to the diagram, will this bypass the ignition feed to the keyless entry module and allow the doors to open even with the ignition on. I am fine if the factory transmitters will not, but I am curious if the aftermarket will. and if they will, I guess I better make damn sure that those auxiliary channels dont get bumped while driving down the freeway. However unlikely that is, It is something to think about, I mean I think the aux outputs require the buttons to be held down for a few seconds, but it is not entirely unreasonable to accidently do that if you squish the second transmitter in your pocket.

Thanks guys

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i did a couple of this setup and is not that hard,and you just need 2 aux output's to do the job,on both door's.one for each door,to open and close.DEI send me a diagram,but is not rigth,so a make my own setup,and it work's fine.

and here's number 4 :)

similar to the DEI, one button open/close, 611T and 2 452T's.

Oddessy slider doors