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marc22 
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Posted: March 07, 2013 at 7:39 AM / IP Logged  
I believe I have everything correct except 2 of the bypass wires. Not sure if I need the foot brake connection(I'm assuming it means the parking brake). Also the tach wire, does it need to be connected with the RS tach wire or instead of?
Vehicle: 2011 Kia Optima SX (Push button start)
Remote Start Unit: Viper 5101
Bypass Module: Fortin Evo-All
Alarm / Remote Start / Bypass Unit Vehicle
Connection Color Description Color Location:
Main Harness (H1) 12 pin
H1/1 RED / White (-)200mA Trunk release output Connect directly to bypass (20 pin connector; yellow/black)
H1/2 Red (+)12VC Constant input Connect to RED / white (H3/2) between unit and fuse
H1/3 Brown (-)200mA Horn honk output White Driver kick, white 43 pin plug, pin 42
H1/4 WHITE/ Brown Light Flash Insolation Wire NO CONNECTION
H1/5 Black (-)Chassis ground Connect to factory ground bolt
H1/6 Violet (+) Door trigger input NO CONNECTION
H1/7 Blue Factory horn input NO CONNECTION
H1/8 Green (-) Door Trigger Connect directly to bypass (20 pin connector; green)
H1/9 BLACK/ White (-) 200mA Dome light output NO CONNECTION
H1/10 WHITE/ Blue (-) Remote Start/Turbo timer activation output NO CONNECTION
H1/11 White Parking light output Pink Headlight switch, white 13 pin plug, pin 1
H1/12 Orange (-)500mA ground when armed output NO CONNECTION
Door Lock 3 pin- NOT USED
1 Blue (-)500mA unlock output NO CONNECTION
2 Empty
3 Green (-) 500mA Lock output NO CONNECTION
H2 Harness 18 pin
H2/1 Light GREEN/ Black (-) 200mA Factory alarm disarm output Connect directly to bypass (20 pin connector; purple / white)
H2/2 ORANGE / Black (-) 200mA Aux 4 output NO CONNECTION
H2/3 GREEN / WHITE (-) 200mA Factory alarm arm output Connect directly to bypass (20 pin connector; purple)
H2/4 Violet/Black (-) 200mA Aux 2 output NO CONNECTION
H2/5 WHITE/ Black (-) 200mA Aux 3 output NO CONNECTION
H2/6 WHITE/ Violet (-) 200mA Aux 1 output NO CONNECTION
H2/7 Gray/Black (-) Diesel wait to start input NO CONNECTION
H2/8 Empty
H2/9 Violet/White Tachometer input Gray Driver kick, White 43 pin plug, Pin 4
H2/10 Dark Blue (-) 200mA Status output Connect directly to bypass (20 pin connector; dark blue)
H2/11 Pink/White (-) 200mA Flex relay control output NO CONNECTION
H2/12 ORANGE / Black (-) 200mA Accessory output NO CONNECTION
H2/13 Purple (-) 200mA Starter output NO CONNECTION
H2/14 Pink (-)200mA Ignition 1 output NO CONNECTION
H2/15 Gray (-) Hood input (nc or no) Green Connect directly to bypass (20 pin connector; pink / black)
H2/16 Blue/White (-) 200mA 2nd status/rear defogger output NO CONNECTION
H2/17 Brown Brake shutdown input Green Driver kick, White 43 pin plug, Pin 24 or 31
H2/18 BLACK/ White (-) Neutral saftey input Connect to black (H1/5) wire
Remote Start (H3) 8 pin
H3/1 Pink Ignition 1 input/output Pink Dash fuse box, black 39 pin plug(E), pin 26 (see bypass diagram)
H3/2 RED / White (+) Fused ignition 2/Flex relay input 87 Red Dash fuse box, 3 pin, pin 1 (see bypass diagram)
H3/3 Orange Accessory output Orange Dash fuse box, black 39 pin plug(E), pin 14 (see bypass diagram)
H3/4 Violet Starter output Gray Dash fuse box, black 39 pin plug (E) (see bypass diagram)
H3/5 Red (+) Fused ignition 1 input Red Connect with red / white (H3/2) wire
H3/6 Pink/White Ignition 2/flex relay output NO CONNECTION
H3/7 Pink/Black flex relay input 87a key side(if req.) of flex relay NO CONNECTION
H3/8 RED / Black (+) fused accessory/starter input Red Connect with red / white (H3/2) wire
Fortin Evo Can
5 Pin Connection
1 NO CONNECTION NO CONNECTION
2 Gray/Black Can Low Yellow Dash fuse box (see bypass diagram)
3 Gray Can High White Dash fuse box (see bypass diagram)
4 ORANGE / Brown Can 2 Low Yellow OBDII, Pin 14 (see bypass diagram)
5 ORANGE / Green Can 2 High White OBDII, Pin 6 (see bypass diagram)
20 Pin Connection
1 Yellow Ignition Connect directly to H3/1
2 Purple Lock/Arm Connect directly to H2/2
3 PURPLE / White Unlock/Disarm Connect directly to H2/1
4 Green Door Status Connect directly to H1/8
5 NO CONNECTION NO CONNECTION
6 NO CONNECTION NO CONNECTION
7 NO CONNECTION NO CONNECTION
8 Dark Blue Ground While Running Connect directly to remote start auxiliary harness; pin 10 (blue) (H2/10)
9 NO CONNECTION NO CONNECTION
10 Lt Blue/Black Data BROWN / Orange Dash fuse box, black 39 pin plug (see bypass diagram)
11 Black Foot Brake ??
12 Pink Tachometer ??
13 Yellow/Black Trunk Release Connect directly to H1/1
14 NO CONNECTION NO CONNECTION
15 Pink/Black Hood Status Connect directly to H2/15
16 NO CONNECTION NO CONNECTION
17 NO CONNECTION NO CONNECTION
18 NO CONNECTION NO CONNECTION
19 NO CONNECTION NO CONNECTION
20 NO CONNECTION NO CONNECTION
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marc22 
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Posted: March 07, 2013 at 7:41 AM / IP Logged  
Whoa! Sorry, that did not space like I posted it.
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howie ll 
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Posted: March 07, 2013 at 8:16 AM / IP Logged  
If I could read any of this the lower brown is the foot brake.
BLACK/ white neutral safety to parking brake if a manual, ground if an auto.
Sorry I can't read the rest please condense.
marc22 
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Posted: March 07, 2013 at 9:23 AM / IP Logged  

Vehicle: 2011 Kia Optima SX PTS    

Remote Start Unit: Viper 5101    
Bypass Module: Fortin Evo-All    
    
  Vehicle
Connection  Color Description          Color     Location:
Main Harness (H1) 12 pin    
H1/1     RED / White (-)200mA Trunk release output              Connect directly to bypass (20 pin connector; yellow/black)
H1/2     Red  (+)12VC Constant input          Connect to RED / white (H3/2) between unit and fuse
H1/3     Brown (-)200mA Horn honk output             White    Driver kick, white 43 pin plug, pin 42
H1/4     WHITE/ Brown Light Flash Insolation Wire                 NO CONNECTION
H1/5     Black (-)Chassis ground      Connect to factory ground bolt
H1/6     Violet (+) Door trigger input    NO CONNECTION
H1/7     Blue Factory horn input         NO CONNECTION
H1/8     Green (-) Door Trigger          Connect directly to bypass (20 pin connector; green)
H1/9     BLACK/ White (-) 200mA Dome light output     NO CONNECTION
H1/10     WHITE/ Blue (-) Remote Start/Turbo timer      NO CONNECTION
H1/11     White Parking light output   Pink       Headlight switch, white 13 pin plug, pin 1
H1/12     Orange (-)500mA ground when armed output      NO CONNECTION
    
Door Lock 3 pin- NOT USED    
1     Blue      (-)500mA unlock output             NO CONNECTION
2 Empty  
3     Green   (-) 500mA Lock output    NO CONNECTION
    
H2 Harness 18 pin    
H2/1     Lt GREEN/ Black(-) 200mA Factory alarm disarm output       Connect directly to bypass (20 pin connector; purple / white)
H2/2     ORANGE / Black  (-) 200mA Aux 4 output            NO CONNECTION
H2/3     GREEN / WHITE   (-) 200mA Factory alarm arm output  Connect directly to bypass (20 pin connector; purple)
H2/4     Violet/Black  (-) 200mA Aux 2 output    NO CONNECTION
H2/5     WHITE/ Black   (-) 200mA Aux 3 output              NO CONNECTION
H2/6     WHITE/ Violet  (-) 200mA Aux 1 output               NO CONNECTION
H2/7     Gray/Black   (-) Diesel wait to start input        NO CONNECTION
H2/8       Empty  
H2/9     Violet/White      Tachometer input      Gray     Driver kick, White 43 pin plug, Pin 4
H2/10     Dark Blue   (-) 200mA Status output            Connect directly to bypass (20 pin connector; dark blue)
H2/11     Pink/White   (-) 200mA Flex relay control output     NO CONNECTION
H2/12     ORANGE / Black  (-) 200mA Accessory output NO CONNECTION
H2/13     Purple   (-) 200mA Starter output    NO CONNECTION
H2/14     Pink    (-) 200mA Ignition 1 output     NO CONNECTION
H2/15     Gray    (-) Hood input (nc or no)     Green    Connect directly to bypass (20 pin connector; pink / black)
H2/16     Blue/White   (-) 200mA 2nd status/rear def output   NO CONNECTION
H2/17     Brown       Brake shutdown input  Green    Driver kick, White 43 pin plug, Pin 24 or 31
H2/18     BLACK/ White   (-) Neutral saftey input           Connect to black (H1/5) wire
    
Remote Start (H3) 8 pin    
H3/1        Pink Ignition 1 input/output           Pink        Dash fuse box, black 39 pin plug(E), pin 26 (see bypass diagram)
H3/2     RED / White (+) Fused ignition 2/Flex relay  Red        Dash fuse box, 3 pin, pin 1 (see bypass diagram)
H3/3     Orange Accessory output   Orange   Dash fuse box, black 39 pin plug(E), pin 14 (see bypass diagram)
H3/4     Violet Starter output  Gray         Dash fuse box, black 39 pin plug (E) (see bypass diagram)
H3/5     Red  (+) Fused ignition 1 input       Red        Connect with red / white (H3/2) wire
H3/6     Pink/White Ignition 2/flex relay output            NO CONNECTION
H3/7     Pink/Black flex relay input 87a key side        NO CONNECTION
H3/8     RED / Black (+) fused accessory/starter input         Red        Connect with red / white (H3/2) wire
    
    
Fortin Evo Can    
5 Pin Connection    
1            NO CONNECTION        NO CONNECTION
2     Gray/Black          Can Low             Yellow   Dash fuse box (see bypass diagram)
3     Gray        Can High White       Dash fuse box (see bypass diagram)
4     ORANGE / Brown   Can 2 Low          Yellow      OBDII, Pin 14 (see bypass diagram)
5     ORANGE / Green   Can 2 High         White    OBDII, Pin 6 (see bypass diagram)
    
20 Pin Connection    
1     Yellow    Ignition     Connect directly to H3/1
2     Purple     Lock/Arm     Connect directly to H2/2
3     PURPLE / White     Unlock/Disarm                    Connect directly to H2/1
4     Green     Door Status           Connect directly to H1/8
5        NO CONNECTION            NO CONNECTION
6        NO CONNECTION            NO CONNECTION
7        NO CONNECTION            NO CONNECTION
8     Dark Blue Ground While Running     Connect directly to remote start auxiliary harness; pin 10 (blue) (H2/10)
9        NO CONNECTION             NO CONNECTION
10     Lt Blue/Black  Data          BROWN / Orange  Dash fuse box, black 39 pin plug (see bypass diagram)
11     Black    Foot Brake  ??
12     Pink     Tachometer ??
13     Yellow/Black  Trunk Release       Connect directly to H1/1
14     NO CONNECTION             NO CONNECTION
15     Pink/Black      Hood Status Connect directly to H2/15
16     NO CONNECTION             NO CONNECTION
17     NO CONNECTION             NO CONNECTION
18     NO CONNECTION             NO CONNECTION
19     NO CONNECTION             NO CONNECTION
20        NO CONNECTION             NO CONNECTION

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marc22 
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Posted: March 07, 2013 at 9:29 AM / IP Logged  

Well that's a lot better.  Forgot to link to info pages...

Evo-All: https://ifar.ca/en/download/7121/preview.html

Vehicle wiring: http://www.readyremote.com/main.asp?action=select&yr=26485&product=Remote Start&make=Kia&model=Optima (Smart Key)

Viper/Python: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/file.asp?ID=1184

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H1/11     White Parking light output        Pink       Headlight switch, white 13 pin plug, pin 1
**Make sure to change the jumper in the unit to (-) parking lights or you could damage the switch.
11     Black Foot Brake        ??
**Connect directly to H2/17. Connection to the vehicle is not required.
12     Pink Tachometer       ??
**Connect directly to H2/9. Connection to the vehicle is not required.
If the vehicle does not have a factory hood pin, you will have to add a hood pin and connect it to the H2/15. Make sure to test and verify that the remote start does not work with the hood opened.
Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205
marc22 
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Thanks again for your help!

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marc22 
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Posted: March 28, 2013 at 8:51 AM / IP Logged  

So I finally put this in last weekend and I'm having some issues.  One change I made, I put a relay on the lock wire to use the factory fob to start the car on the second press of the lock button. Everything else is done per the list above.

Once I programmed the RS and Evo-All it worked perfectly.  I reached in and shut it down by depressing the brake, closed the door and tried it again, perfect.  I went for a short drive and about 10 minutes after I got home I tried it again.  It will turn over but not start. Also, depressing the brake would not kill it, it would try and cycle though to start again. I used the toggle switch on the RS to shut it down.  I figured it was probably a loose wire so I opened it up and checked everything again, all looked good.  Reconnected the Evo and ran through the programming again, again worked prefectly for 2 tests (done in less than 1 minute) but when I came back to it after about 10 minutes the same problem.

So I disconnected the Evo again reconnected and reprogrammed, same thing.  Starts the first time but not after it sits for a couple of minutes.  I think the car isn't recognizing the Evo when it won't start because I see on the dash "key not in vehicle"

Looking for possible solution?

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Posted: March 28, 2013 at 9:00 AM / IP Logged  
I would contact EVO to see if they know of anything. It sounds almost like the BCM is going to sleep and not waking up soon enough. Try it again but this time after waiting 10min or so, press the unlock button first, then lock it again, then try remote starting it.
Another option is to wait the 10min then open the driver door, close it, and try starting it. See if either of those help.
Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

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