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unreality 
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I'm looking at installing 4 12" dual 4-ohm, RMS 300W and peak 600w and was wondering what would be reccommended for this set up in terms of amps? I am still a new guy to the technics of car audio, so if anyone could include a site or information on how they determined what should be used, that'd be great I"m not looking at huge spl, probably 30/70 spl/sq and I listen to a lot of tech and rap.I will be building the enclosures myself, so anything's possible in terms of sealed/ported etc

Thanks for any and all Help!

Craig McKee

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Here is the wiring setup for you to consider. As this is one of the best ways to go about it, it means a one amp system at the same time. A amp that produces between 1000 and 1500 w rms at 2 ohms is the ideal amp for you. Not that I like Kleenex Gold, but they do have an amp that would do this. A better solution would be a JL 1000/1. Any mono class D amp that has a "governed" power output from 4 ohms to 1 ohm would be a good solution here. Perhaps even a JunkButLoud amplifier will fit this bill. A old Rockford BD1000 would be an ideal amp for this application.

Option 1 (series/parallel) = 2 ohm load
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I dont know what yuor budget is but the new KICKER zx1500.1 fits the bill nicely
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Uhh. In terms of amplifiers, really anything in the 1000watt range would be satisfactory... but I'd recommend something with *real* power to distribute across that many woofers.. maybe the JLAudio 1000/1...?
I dunno.. lotsa choices here.
As far as your box design goes, regardless of your vehicle, you really might find a ported enclosure restrictive in terms of space needed, and with *4* woofers anyway, you certainly won't be quiet with a sealed enclosure. What sort of vehicle is this going into?
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Hey all, thanks for the advice, the subs will be in the back of a 2002 Hyundai Accent 2 door. basicly, overkill. the 10'' bazooka tube I have does a great job right now, but nothing beats multiples, cept multiples in a custom glass box. ;)

I'm now looking at an amp that has the following specs, what do you guys think?

RMS Power Output:880 Watts
Birdged Output:1920 Watts
Signal To Noise Ratio:98 dB
Frequency Response:10-30,000 Hz
Bass Boost:0-24 dB

and I am assuming that the general idea of amp-to-sub power is just straight across numbers I.E. 300rms X 4 = 1200 watts = 1200 watt amp to go with regardless of connections, etc?

Thanks for the help!

Craig McKee

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You should look for a mono class D amp that will put out between 1,000 and 1,500 watts RMS at 2 ohms.
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unreality wrote:

Hey all, thanks for the advice, the subs will be in the back of a 2002 Hyundai Accent 2 door. basicly, overkill. the 10'' bazooka tube I have does a great job right now, but nothing beats multiples, cept multiples in a custom glass box. ;)

I'm now looking at an amp that has the following specs, what do you guys think?

RMS Power Output:880 Watts
Birdged Output:1920 Watts
Signal To Noise Ratio:98 dB
Frequency Response:10-30,000 Hz
Bass Boost:0-24 dB

and I am assuming that the general idea of amp-to-sub power is just straight across numbers I.E. 300rms X 4 = 1200 watts = 1200 watt amp to go with regardless of connections, etc?

Thanks for the help!

Craig McKee

What brand amplifier are these numbers coming from? A lot of companies give false numbers to make their products look better than they really are. You should really listen to what forbidden suggested.  A very good setup. Get a 1000 watt mono amplifier.

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Definately look into a mono amplifier that puts out 1000-1500 watts rms at 2 ohm's. Be shure its a quality amp that puts out that power for real. Its basically impossible to find a 1000 watt rms amp under $300, keep that in mind when looking.

Sounds like your really willing to learn so on your spare time, check out this site its veh helpful for any questions you may have. http://www.bcae1.com/

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Alpine Guy wrote:
basically impossible to find a 1000 watt rms amp under $300
For that matter, the power output spec on a 1000watt amp that costs ya that much will read like "1000x1 RMS @14.4v"
then you dig around a little bit and somewhere the truth comes out:
"700x1 RMS @12.5v" or something godawful like that. A *real* 1000 watt monoblock will set ya back far more than that.
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My suggestion would be a Thunder 1501D from MTX or the TA81001 that will fit the bill perfectly. Both are bullet proof but are not cheap.
Jeff
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