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2000 golf keyless door lock gone nutso


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howpilot 
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Posted: December 18, 2009 at 10:18 AM / IP Logged  
Yes I agree it is in the programing. The doors lock and unlock using the remote. The same using the switch on the door. It timing seems to be exactly 30 seconds. Then all doors lock and the red alarm led blinks and a beep is heard. Remote Unit works perfectly to reopen the door locks and shut off the alarm. Only problem it needs no human interaction. If the key is accidentally left in the ignition or sitting on the seat, your hooped. I would prefer to be able to TELL the car to lock itself. Just try to remember to pull the key when you slip out to open a gate or pick up your newspaper. I'll tell you it dives you nuts to come back to a locked car. Rolling down the window so you can get the key back is not an option here in Saskatchewan Canada. It gets cold here and the power window system on ALL Golf is an out right joke. No way the window motors last more than a few years, complete junk. Parts are out of the world costly.
Now back to the dealership, another joke. They all but refuse to try program the entry system. Keep steering me towards the very costly "door actuator" which would no doubt also have to be programed????? I hear the dealer 80 miles north is much much more cooperative than our local shop. Maybe I'll give them a call.
howpilot 
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Posted: December 18, 2009 at 10:50 AM / IP Logged  
Just phoned the out of town dealer, who by all reports is much much easier to deal with. After explaining the issues to the service rep, he said it sounds like a "short" in the door latch. Pretty much the same as the local guys. His cost to change the drivers side mechanism ran about 400 bucks also. He said the issue is common and he has dealt with it before I guess therefore my solution is to not drive my sons Golf, and he and his girlfriend have become accustomed to this insanity, and in no way can afford this repair.
Lesson learned, I shall stick to my Fords and Toyota Camrys, they are building better cars. Curse you VW all to heck for shoddy parts and cheap engineering.
howie ll 
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Posted: December 18, 2009 at 12:23 PM / IP Logged  
It's not what the dealer says that's a load of garbage. If it was a short it would blow the bloody fuse!!! What you described is the facory alarm set to passive arming! Do you mean the LED on the driver's door?
As a rule European manufacturers all went down the path of inceased processors to control and diagnose everything, in fact European GM, Opel and Vauxhall are nearer in the electrics department to VW than to say Chevrolet, Euro Fords also have a load of these features. By the way if there's a second LED NOT on the door it ain't a factory alarm.
Incidentally the comfort/alarm control module CAN be programmed by a stealer, they would rather take your money. My Autodata (UK version of Mitchells) says that this programme and others such as key programming can only be done on the dealership's diagnostics, trouble is as my learned friend the Idiot and I pointed out telling you the motor has to be replaced is absolute rubbish.
howpilot 
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Posted: December 18, 2009 at 4:50 PM / IP Logged  
Yes the red LED is indeed on the drivers door, about 1/2 cm from the manual lock button, imbedded in the same plastic trim piece as the knob. This keyless entry is 100% stock VW. The remote is the switchblade factory VW squiggly key unit type. I also used the word short in "brackets" to kinda indicate I was suspect of their diagnosis just as you are. Yes I do not understand for the life of me why both dealers are seeming to steer me away from a simple re-program. Must be way more profit in selling the latch plus a reprogram??????
tommy... 
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Posted: December 18, 2009 at 6:42 PM / IP Logged  
Yeah...Much more...! I'm "pretty" sure if you ask for this Specific task...they "will" do it...! Only problem is...That might  be followed by "Well...We tried the re-program and it didnt fix the problem"..."So you can either pay us $100 for the failed reprogram"..." Or let us go ahead and fix/replace the actuator and we wont charge for the failed programming"...There really arent alot of shops that do VW...Shops are very leary of them...So i would recommend finding a "foriegn" car specialist/mechanic in your area...And stay away from the Stealerships(as one said)...! I know in my area there are a few foreign specialty shops...Maybe even calling some not around you would lead to a "clearer" answer...! Just thinking aloud here...!
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howpilot 
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Posted: December 19, 2009 at 12:01 PM / IP Logged  
The car was in a local shop who are into VW's to get the timing belt replaced. Thats why Dad was driving the kids car and accidentally locked the key in the car. The shop owner said he can not get the reprogram method. Only the dealers get this info. His girlfriend drives a Golf and it also has the exact same issue with the key. This is a well known and common thing with VW. Maybe it's a good thing that persons on the shady side such as thief's and chop operations cannot reset keys. Then again it might be a blessing to have this VW vanish, the price to replace the timing belt $1096.17. Cheap to operate,,,yeah sure.
howie ll 
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Posted: December 19, 2009 at 2:43 PM / IP Logged  
What I told you so again? I've been offered rogue copies of the manufacturers' software but I'm loathe to try it. There's a related problem here with Vauxhall, Opel E30 BMW and all Peugeots where after a time the microswitch in the motor gets displaced and the car's processor thinks someone has openend the door, thus it unlocks the others! That's one reason for priority locking (paranoia apart) It's also the reason why when I'm adding actuators, I only connect the 5 wire on the driver's side, unless you get the front door units dead level, those micro switches work against each other. On Euro Fords in the early 90s motors one side were Swiss and the other side Italian, you know what's coming here don't you. By the way that price isn't exhorbitant if you include skimming the head and valve guides etc. Any modern 4 valve engine will cost that sort of money. If this were Germany you can insist the dealer turns the passive arm off. also US BMWs the owner can turn it off via the I drive.
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