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kwise 
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When I tried to start the car from the Viper remote start , the engine cranks but it won't start. Pkall support advised me to bypass the factory alarm system and mentioned that I need remove the driver door panel and trace the alarm wire BLACK/ Red which will change to blue . Then once I find this wire , I need to plug it into the viper module.
I want to get an advice from this forum before going that direction. Also does anyone have the proper wiring diagram for Odyssey 04. The reason I ask this Q because I'm seeing different variation on the color schema from different websites.
Thanks a mill
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I don't think bypassing the oem alarm will accomplish what you are wanting. I am not familiar with the pkall but try disconnecting the gwr wire from it and placing the key in the ign and see if it is starting.
As for disarm if it is an EX model than the info you have is correct. Test by turning the key in the drivers door key hole. Wire should be at the drivers door module.
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Car start remotely when the key in the ignition. I followed the instruction below to no avail
http://www.xpresskit.com/DocumentDownload.aspx?documentid=6378&productid=196&firmwareid=1636
Here is the wire color/pin info:
Data Synchro
Odyssey 99-04       Pin2 Blue/Green       Pin3 ORANGE / Blue      @5 pin G
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List all connections...You Could just use the Key-in-the-box style bypass. You will have to surrender a key. Easiest way for beginners to do bypass. At least you know its the bypass and not the dis-arm as tech support was telling you-viper 4103 pkall and odyssey 04 -- posted image. - When you are doing the learning procedure of the PKALL... is it programming as per the instructions(LED lights,etc...)
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kwise 
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Thanks guys for your update. I noticed that if I leave the key close to the ignition (i.e. on the driver seat) the car starts . So somehow the viper sense the chip in the key ( I guess) .
Which cable on the viper 4103 I need to connect the anti-theft( Disarm wire) BLACK/ RED to Blue in the Driver side ?
Thanks a mill
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By the way , does anybody have access to www.Directechs.com ? I just need to get the pdf install guide for the odyssey o4.
Thanks!
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2004 Honda Odyssey     DirectWire 2.0 Vehicle Information
All Products
Item     Wire Color     Polarity     Wire Location
12 Volts     white (50A)     +     ignition harness
Second 12 Volts   
Starter     BLACK/ white     +     ignition harness
Second Starter     N/A
Ignition     BLACK / YELLOW     +     ignition harness
Second Ignition     N/A
Third Ignition     N/A
Accessory     yellow     +     ignition harness
Second Accessory     WHITE/ black     +     ignition harness
Third Accessory   
Keysense     blue/white     -     ignition harness
Data Bus     blue/green (data), ORANGE / blue (synchro)     data     Immobilizer Module
The Immobilizer Module is around the ignition key switch. The immobilizer ignition wire is yellow/black and the ground reference wire is black.
Can Bus High   
Can Bus Low   
Can Bus Sw     brown (door lock data)     data     driver kick, door harness
Power Lock     BLACK/ blue     -     passenger fuse box
Found in a 20 pin plug on LX models, and a 3 pin plug on EX models. Meter the wire while turning the key in the passenger door key cylinder.
Power Unlock     orange     -     passenger fuse box
Found in a 20 pin plug on LX models, and a 3 pin plug on EX models. Meter the wire while turning the key in the passenger door key cylinder.
Lock Motor     WHITE/ red     5wi     driver fuse box, 18 pin plug
Driver Unlock Motor     lt. GREEN/ red     5wi     driver fuse box, 18 pin plug
Passenger Unlock Motor     lt. GREEN/ red     5wi     driver fuse box, 14 pin plug
Parking Lights (-)     RED / yellow (EX model only)     -     headlight switch
Parking Lights (+)     RED / black     +     driver fuse box, 10 pin plug
Hazards     same as turn signal wires
Turn Signal (Left)     GREEN/ blue     +     steering column
Turn Signal (Right)     GREEN/ YELLOW     +     steering column
Headlight     blue/red     -     headlight switch
AutoLights   
Reverse Light     GREEN/ black     +     driver fuse box, 10 pin plug
Left Front Door Trigger     BLACK/ white     -     interior light switch on center dash
Right Front Door Trigger   
Left Rear Door Trigger   
Right Rear Door Trigger   
Dome Supervision     lt. green     -     interior light switch on center dash
Trunk/Hatch Pin     common with door trigger wire
Rear Glass Pin   
Hood Pin     yellow/red (LX), yellow (EX)     -     keyless (LX), driver mux unit (EX)
The keyless/security control unit is to the right of the steering column on the LX models. The driver multiplex control unit is attached to the driver fuse box on the EX models.
Trunk/Hatch Release     N/A
Trunk Release Motor   
Fuel Door Release   
Power Sliding Door (Left)     see DirectFax document 1085
Power Sliding Door (Right)   
Factory Alarm Arm     arms with lock (EX model only)
Factory Alarm Disarm     disarms with unlock (EX only)
Disarm No Unlock     BLACK/ red to blue (EX only)     -     driver door module in door
Trunk Alarm Shunt   
Tachometer     blue     ac     test tachometer connector
The test tachometer connector is a 2 pin plug above the brake master cylinder.
Wait to Start     N/A
Neutral Safety   
Clutch Pedal   
Fuel Pump   
Rear Defroster   
Mirror Defroster   
Left Front Heated Seat   
Right Front Heated Seat   
Speed Sense     blue/white cruise ctrl unit to right of column
Brake Wire     WHITE/ black     +     brake pedal switch
Parking Brake     GREEN/ red     -     parking brake switch
Horn Trigger     lt. GREEN/ blue     -     steering column
Wipers     blue (L), blue / YELLOW (H)     -     steering column
Left Front Window (Up/Down)     blue/red - blue/white     A     driver window motor in door
Right Front Window (Up/Down)     blue/red - blue/white     A     passenger window motor in door
Left Rear Window (Up/Down)     GREEN/ red - GREEN/ YELLOW     A     relays in left rear quarter panel
Right Rear Window (Up/Down)     RED / blue - RED / yellow     A     relays in right rear quarter panel
Sun Roof (Open/Close)     N/A
Sun Roof (Limit/Close)     N/A
Memory Seat 1     N/A
Memory Seat 2     N/A
Memory Seat 3     N/A
Radio 12V     WHITE/ blue     +     radio harness
Radio Ground     black     -     radio harness
Radio Ignition     WHITE/ red     +     radio harness
Radio Illumination     RED / black     +     radio harness
Factory Amp Turn-on     N/A
Power Antenna     N/A
Left Front Speaker (+/-)     blue/green - gray/black     +,-     radio harness
Right Front Speaker (+/-)     RED / green - BROWN / black     +,-     radio harness
Left Rear Speaker (+/-)     blue / YELLOW - gray/white     +,-     radio harness
Right Rear Speaker (+/-)     RED / yellow - BROWN / white     +,-     radio harness
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kwise 
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On the viper 4103Xv I have two factory alarm wires ( GREEN / WHITE(rearm) & GREEN/ Black (disarm) ).Which one do I need to connect to the anti theft cable ( BLACK/ red to blue )?
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Did you verify that the Van has Factory Security...? GREEN/ Black to Blue in drivers door...
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kwise 
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yes I did verify the Van has Factory Security . After all it's my own personal Van :).
Thanks for your help .
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