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howie ll 
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Posted: April 06, 2013 at 10:54 AM / IP Logged  
OK, then an 80 amp relay from a reputable manufacturer will handle that quite easily.
They will handle twice their rated power for a few miliseconds.
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howie ll wrote:
OK, then an 80 amp relay from a reputable manufacturer will handle that quite easily.
They will handle twice their rated power for a few miliseconds.
Cool. I assume that even if my alternator is 100A that that few ms of the fan drawing over 100 should be fine? Think the vehicle would stumble?
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Another way to avoid the current rush would be to add a circuit that ramps the voltage to the fan over about 5 secs or so. I ;ve been scouring the web for something like that but can't find anything.
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Just a mere current limiter would do, but WHY are you even bothering to do that? What problems are you suffering?
The alternator is irrelevant. Lights may dim etc, but "stumble" as in misfire etc - very unlikely - vehicles with much larger fans do fine... (EMSs have caps...)
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Yes I think we're disobeying the KISS principal OR if it ain't broke don't fix it rule.
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Or overthinking - without sufficient experience/knowledge.
Transient and inrush over-currents are not an issue for relays or fuses (and cables) etc - just look at their surge and withstand or blow-time curves etc.
If they were, all relays etc would be rated for the peak inrush - ie, maybe 200A for a 55W halogen bulb and probably much higher for your 30A fan (check its inrush using a CRO).
Usually it's the resulting voltage spikes that are the issue... eg, see the current "returned" to your battery when you switch the fan off - and that voltage spike.
Usually the only consideration is to use relays that are rated for inductive loads (contact endurance & separation), but that should not be an issue for automotive 12V relays.
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Posted: April 06, 2013 at 8:09 PM / IP Logged  
jaxzin wrote:
Another way to avoid the current rush would be to add a circuit that ramps the voltage to the fan over about 5 secs or so. I ;ve been scouring the web for something like that but can't find anything.
A circuit of this type to handle that much current will be costly to build. You need to try it before you go through any trouble. I really see no problems.
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Two points;
a) I remember reading an Omron data sheet mentioning that their relays are rated at twice the switching current for a few milliseconds each cycle.
b) With regard to Mr. I's last post that could explain why my Mits had a black box on one of the electric fans.
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Posted: April 07, 2013 at 4:27 AM / IP Logged  
I doubt that anyone would use a ramp-up circuit for a fan due to the risk of motor burn out.
Current limiting is a different issue and that's merely 2 resistors & 2 transistors for low current circuits...
BUT YET AGAIN - WHY!!!?
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Posted: April 07, 2013 at 9:15 PM / IP Logged  
You're right guys. I am ditching the Taurus fan and going with a Ford Contour fan setup. That one only draws about 60 amps inrush and settles at 30Amps when running. Will simplify things by a ton. Thanks for the advice.
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