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Posted: September 24, 2005 at 8:33 AM / IP Logged

Does anyone know more or less what frequency those gigantic toms that pantera and most other metal bands play at?

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Posted: September 24, 2005 at 11:34 AM / IP Logged

Toms generally live between about 35Hz and about 2Khz with lots of ringing and harmonics up to 15Khz.

If you're planning to record toms, my favorite microphones are the Sennheiser E604 or the EV N/D 468 as they have good solid low end and extended high-end frequency response and can handle the relatively high SPL of toms. If you're asking because you want to know which speakers they will utilize in a normal setup, the answer is all of them.

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Posted: September 27, 2005 at 12:22 PM / IP Logged

thanks a bunch, that was exactly the answer I was looking for. I'm not recording but I was wondering why a specific song sounded great on my computer but not quite as good (the toms) in my truck. guess I have holes I didn't realize i had.

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MOST vehicles have holes they don't realize they have, and most of these are in the so-called "mid-bass" region, between their subwoofer low-pass setting and the lowest actual efficient capability of their mid-range woofer in their main speakers. For example, if your sud is crossed over at 70 or 80 Hz and you use standard 6.5" front speakers, I can almost guarantee you have a hole between about 85 Hz and 120 to 240 Hz. That is, unless your front mains are very good indeed.

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Posted: September 28, 2005 at 2:19 AM / IP Logged

would 6x9's in the rear deck provide the necessary fill to even out this hole; or would something like an 8" be required?

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Posted: September 28, 2005 at 7:18 PM / IP Logged

Good question, I was going to ask something similar.

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Posted: September 28, 2005 at 7:32 PM / IP Logged

I would think not, as the speakers are still in the back. And if you are running a sub, they generally will be x-over at a point that will not produce what you are looking for.

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Posted: September 28, 2005 at 8:53 PM / IP Logged

A good tom sound is nice and round, yet punchy... at least that's what my ears tell me when I'm mixing (of course, the Sears kit that has never had the heads tuned, much less changed is another matter.... you can't polish a turd)

You would be looking in and around the 1-3khz range for the attack, 200-400Hz for the body, and around 80-100Hz for the thud factor.

Gus

Hey DYohn... you forgot about the venerable MD421... a favourite "target" for drummers for decades! The 604 and the E/V mic are up on my list.... Audix D series are nice... ATM 25 is a great value. Love it as a kick mic.

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You are 100% right there, gus. I have four 421's in my kit and I use them for everything. GREAT all-around mics that even work well for vocals. I also like almost all the AKG mics.

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Posted: September 28, 2005 at 11:21 PM / IP Logged

There is one AKG I would absolutely love to get my hands on desperately...... the D12 (not to be confused with the egg shaped pre-eq'ed heavy metal kick mic of choice D112). Really great all around mic... my personal favourite for guitar. Wanna really get a huge guit. sound? AT AE2500. The dual element kick mic. Amazing snare mic as well. Good for snare you can feel.... mwaaaaahhhaaaa. Ahhh.... live audio. Gotta love it.

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PS: Killer overhead: AT 40 series... 4055 or 4050 (?) If you're doing jazz or swing... park an AT- ATM25 in the kick, couple these overhead, and you are set.

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