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bbusbee 
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I added an alternate radiator cooler and fan for my tranmission coolant and also added a manual on/off switch for the fan.  I wanted to know that the fan was running so I added a 12 volt indicator lamp into the power input circuit for the fan.  Whether the fan comes on automatically via the thermostat or I manually turn it on this lamp will illuminate, the problem is that it's too bright in the evening but it's perfect for daytime driving. 

My question, can I somehow integrate this lamp into the dimming circuit for the headlamps system?  Or do I need to add a manual dimmer switch, which I really don't want to do if possible.  The lamp is a simple 12 volt DC two wire lamp, one to ground and one positive. 

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if it's an LED, you'll have issues, but if it's a standard analog bulb then yes you can just feed the dimmer output to the +12v input to the bulb.
bbusbee 
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Okay I'm confused.  The +12v input to the bulb is presently wired into the +12v power input to the fan so that it comes on when the fan does.  Where am I going wrong?
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You could set it up through a relay to give you "hi" and "lo" settings fairly easy.

Take the output coming from the switch/thermostat and wire it to pin 30 of a relay.  Wire pin 87A directly to the lamp.  Wire Pin 87 to the lamp through a resistor (the resistance value of the resistor will determine how dim/bright the light is). 

Wire pin 85 to ground and pin 86 to the parking lights.

When the parking lights are off the relay won't be energized and the light will work just like it works now.  When the parking lights are on the relay will energize and now the lamp will be fed through the resistor, causing it to be less light.

This will work on both LEDs and incandescent bulbs, but the resistor value needed may vary drastically between the two.

Kevin Pierson
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use a relay like KPierson says, only: wire term 30 to the dimmer wire, term 87 to your light, term 86 to ground, term 85 to the power that turns the fan on. whenever the fan is on, the light will be also, only now it is on the dash illumination circuit.
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Before you try to tie in to the dimmer circuit you will need to verify if it is a + or - acting dimmer switch.  If you try to dim the + of the bult with a - dimmer (or vice versa)  your light will light up backwards from the rest of the lights.

Kevin Pierson
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So I can use any 12 volt DC relay from Radio Shack?
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sure, or any auto parts store will have them as well.
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Okay, you guys are great for responding so quickly.  I have two last questions.

Based on the above recommendations, if the lamp is on during the sunset hours and I switch on the headlamps, will the indicator light dimm?  I understand the wiring discussed above but it sounds like it will either be dimm all the time.  If I am misunderstanding just tell me so.

Second question, I'm not an electronics technician, what resister would I use for this scenario?  Considering a typical 12VDC green indicator lamp and a 12VDC relay.  I would like to dimm the lamp by 50% only when I switch on the headlights. 

bbusbee 
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Posted: October 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM / IP Logged  

Disregard my last question, like you already have, I studied the relay section and figured out that your recommendation will work.  I'm still wondering about which resistor but I've tried a 1watt/100 ohm resistor and it seems to do the job.

Regards,

BBusbee

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