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superspeed 
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Posted: July 15, 2002 at 9:59 PM / IP Logged  
I've had a pair of Fosgate Fanatic components in my car for a while now, and the tweeters are just too high for my taste.  Even with my eq settings all the way down.  Any suggestions on how to bring down the piercing highs even more?  Somewhere i read where i can run a 20-50 ohm resistor in parallel to the tweeter?
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MoTomCat 
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Posted: July 16, 2002 at 12:03 AM / IP Logged  

I'll be the first to admit I'm not an audio specialist, but I do know a lot about electronics and since you haven't had a reply, I'll put my 2 cents worth in and make a suggestion.  

I would not put a resistor in parallel with the speaker, as that would change it's impedance.  Impedance being overall AC resistance, including reactances, paralleling a resistance will lower the overall impedance, just like putting two resistors in parallel would lower overall resistance. 

In looking at some of the other resources available here, I was wondering if a low-pass filter ( as described in the cross-over section) would be the answer?  You could calculate the audio frequency where you wish to begin attenuating the signal and build the filter to match that.  Or if you're presently using a cross-over, you may be able to change some of the components or add a "high-cut" filter to it, or even use a band-pass filter.  Of course, you could use whatever order of filter design you needed, depending on how quickly you want the signals to drop off.

I am not familiar enough to know what products are readily available on the market to buy to do this, but building one would not be very difficult.  Primarily it would involve finding the right size coil or choke to add into the line if you just wanted to cut the highs.

Maybe this will help a little.

GlassWolf 
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Posted: July 16, 2002 at 4:09 PM / IP Logged  
actually what you want is something called an "L-pad"
this is a simple electronic circuit which alows for attenuation of a speaker. you can dial down the volume of that speaker to your tastes.
radio shack sells these pre-assembled in fact.
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MoTomCat 
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Posted: July 16, 2002 at 11:36 PM / IP Logged  

An L-pad will work fine if you just want to cut the overall volume of the tweeter, but I took you to mean that you just wanted to cut the shrill highs, sort of take the edge off it, rather than tone down all treble sounds coming from the tweeter.

On this site, they have calculators that do a nice job of determining the size coil you would need to just take that edge off.  I tried it, using 4 Ohms and 16,000 Hz as the crossover frequency, and it showed me the exact mH coil I would need for such a low-pass filter.  You should be able to find a coil very close to that (they say within +/-5% will work) at most electronic supply houses.  It would still allow the treble frequencies below that point to come through unaltered, but above that point it would begin attenuating them.  They've got good info on doing this.

I'm still kind of new to this site, but I like it more everytime I get a chance to explore it a little more.  Hope this helps a little.

GlassWolf 
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Posted: July 17, 2002 at 8:13 AM / IP Logged  
sometimes a tweeter being too "bright" can just be that it needs to be cut down by about 3dB which an L-pad would do well.. but yeah if you actually want to cut the freq. response completely then sure roll it off at about 16KHz or so.. that'd do the trick too.
most component sets that come with a crossover also offer a "-3dB" connection which will trim down the output of the tweeters in case they are closer to you than you'd like and seem too bright.
just offering alternatives.
-GlassWolf
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Posted: July 18, 2002 at 2:13 PM / IP Logged  

Hey superspeed,

Resistors in series would do the trick,  I've done it more than once.  Keep them large enough to prevent overheating.   Hey now you know why they call them FANATICS!  cut down tweeter highs -- posted image.

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GlassWolf 
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Posted: July 18, 2002 at 5:45 PM / IP Logged  
yeah resistors in series work, but remember most resistors you find are rated for a quarter or a half watt.
look at power resistors if you plan to do this and try to find them in the proper values.
-GlassWolf
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