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The Distortion 
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Posted: December 14, 2002 at 1:08 PM / IP Logged  

which one? I am down to a set of RCA cables and a 10 " sub (will make the enclosure myself)to complete my system...so let me ask you...if you had an amp that supplied 300 wrms and you wanted just one lil 10 inch sub in a sealed enclosure that would really take a beating all day and sound great playing rock and roll..what would you pick?

bberman1 
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How much do you want to spent and what is the ohm rating on your amp?
The Distortion 
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the subwoofer I need is a 4ohm impedance

100 dollars give or take, maximum of 150.00

and thanks again

bberman1 
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I would suggest  a JL 10W3v2-d2 which is the ten inch W3 version 2 2 ohm model 300 watts rms http://www.jlaudio.com/subwoofers/10w3v2.html and wire it to 4 ohms http://www.jlaudio.com/subwoofers/pdfs/10W3v2_DS.pdf
The Distortion 
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bberman1,

 That is beautiful man! THANKS, you are a definate asset to this site!

 BTW I did take you up on the good info I saw you offer someone else and ordered some 4 gauge wire and two distribution blocks from Knuconcepts, great prices and the order was here in three days. the wire is great quality!

I am sure now this sub will work great. It is just what I was looking for, I knew I'd know it when I found it

:) one last thing...

I still don't understand half of what I know, the manual for my amp states in Bold Lettering..."IF YOU WISH TO BRIDGE CONNECT A SPEAKER,THE IMPEDANCE MUST BE NO LESS THAN 4 OHMS. CONNECTING A SPEAKER WITH AN IMPEDANCE LOWER THAN 4 OHMS MAY DAMAGE THE UNIT" 

 I don't know why yet what is lower than four ohm's is still confusing to me. basically I understand if I wire the JL audio dual 2 ohm sub like it said to in the pdf file you gave me, then the amp I have will recognize it as a 4ohm speaker, so it will all be good . right?

here is the amp i am hooking it up to bridges to play this woofer at 300wrms(if you wanted to be kind enough to look see, tell me if they will work together

http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-5ZMQ6tfLkRJ/ProdView.asp?a=&s=0&g=110&id=detailed_info&i=113KAC729S

bberman1 
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Glad to hear you were pleased with Knuconcepts I know I always am. But as far as the sub goes it will work just fine  When you bridge a amp it cuts the load in half so if you have a 4 ohm load ( such as your sub) it will be seen by a bridged amp as a 2 ohm load. Your amp is 2 ohm stable so if you bridged it the lowest independence you could hook up to it would be 4ohms. If your subs were wired so your amp saw a 2 ohm load then the amp would cut that in half and have a 1 ohm load which the amp is not capable of running. I hope this helps you and I didn’t confuse you too much if you have any more questions just let me know.
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JL's are a nice choice, you will be happy with them.
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The Distortion 
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bberman,

     I was wondering why it said NOT to connect a 2ohm speaker to it once I bridged the amp, when they also said it was 2 ohm stable..now I understand.

 let me see, so if i bridge the amp, then i have to connect a 4 ohm load...check!

what if I have the amp in stereo, and connect a two ohm load to each channel? for instance what if i just wire  the 2ohm DVC JL sub in stereo that way, not that i will hookit up that way, yet my amp says 2x150 @2 ohms ,2X100 @ 4 ohms., 1X300 bridged, so it will be the same thing?

lastly...I am sold on that JL Sub, yet I am curious because...

I read that there is really no difference in a SVC and a DVC sub ( when it comes to using only one sub) they make a sub with a DVC for more flexibility in hooking up multiple Subs, so wouldn't it be no different in "quality of sound" to just buy a 4 ohm SVC sub and bridge the amp?Instead of bridging the amp ,then wiring the DVC in series.

Thanks for your TIME, and your PATIENCE bberman :)

The Distortion 
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Posted: December 15, 2002 at 9:57 AM / IP Logged  

Bberman....? HELP!!

Ok On the JL audio 10w3v2-d2 woofer I am looking it says in the pdf file that I should NOT Use a PASSIVE crossover on this sub for to do so will aversely effect the SUB's performance.

 so uhhhh...what kind of crossover is in my amp?

(if I have it right active is crossed over before amplification and passive is crossed over after the signal is amplified)

this is the amp I am using again..

http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-IQ94r8LXLPN/ProdSearch.asp?Search=kenwood+729S&Go.x=16&Go.y=11

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Posted: December 15, 2002 at 10:48 AM / IP Logged  

I checked out your amp at the URL (crutchfield site). You won't need a passive x-over. The amp's internal active electronic x-over will work fine. Adding any kind of passive x-over will just add power-robbing components to the load, and it just needlessly adds more stuff to go wrong.

Also, the amp's specs are referring to 2 ohm stability when using two channels, as in L & R subwoofers (or dual 4 ohm DVC's wired in parallel [say that three times real fast]), not in a bridged mode, single channel with one subwoofer. The amp is not designed for a 2 ohm load in bridged mode.

Keep it simple. Go with the SVC 4 ohm, and bridge your amp and use the amp's lowpass x-over.

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