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Posted: January 11, 2008 at 1:47 PM / IP Logged  
I Was Wondering If Using A 4 Gauge Power Wire Was Why My Amp Fuses Keep Blowing.
The Amp Is An Old Crunch PZN2250 1000w. It's 2 x 150wrms (250 peak) @ 4ohms or 2 x 225wrms (500 peak) @ 2 ohms or 1 x 450wrms (1000 peak) @ 4 ohms bridged. I Have 60 amps In It, 2 30amp...Factory Was 2 25's.
The Subs Are 2 12' MTX Thunder 5000's. I Dunno The Ohms On Them And I Believe They Are Bridged. The Gain Isn't At Full...Maybe A Little Over Half.
I Can Play Them For A While Without Any Problems. However, For Extra-Bassy Songs Or If I Turn The Volume Up To About 19, (The Volume Goes To 35 BTW) The Fuses Blow.
Is A 4 Gauge Sending Too Much Power To The Amp?
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First of all, NEVER replace fuses with a larger size!  If the amp is supposed to have 25 amp fuses, then return it to 25 amp fuses or you may burn your car down.  Second, power wire size has nothing to do with how much current the amp is drawing so no, using 4 AWG is not causing the problem.  The problem is that your amp is either defective or you are putting too much load on it.  How are the speakers wired?  How did you set your gain?

But first and foremost, PUT THE RIGHT SIZE FUSES IN THERE or you are potentially sitting on a time bomb.

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Sounds like a load problem to me.

The sizing of the fuse is only relevent to whether or not the fuse will blow before the wire catches on fire.

They are NOT current limiting or current controlling devices.  They are simply designed to open up of the wire is in danger of carrying more current then it can safely carry.  Fuse sizes, ideally, are selected based on the size of the wire being used, NOT the size of the amp.

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Posted: January 11, 2008 at 3:14 PM / IP Logged  
DYohn wrote:

First of all, NEVER replace fuses with a larger size! If the amp is supposed to have 25 amp fuses, then return it to 25 amp fuses or you may burn your car down. Second, power wire size has nothing to do with how much current the amp is drawing so no, using 4 AWG is not causing the problem. The problem is that your amp is either defective or you are putting too much load on it. How are the speakers wired? How did you set your gain?

But first and foremost, PUT THE RIGHT SIZE FUSES IN THERE or you are potentially sitting on a time bomb.

Lol Well That's Why I'm Here. Thanks For That Warning, I'll Get Some 25 Amp Fuses Immediately.
Anyway, Based On What Was Said I Think That It Could Be Either The Inline Fuse, Or The Wiring Is Crappy.
I Had A Friend Install It For Me, But From Looking At It...It's Wired To Both Channels. Like I Said Before I Believe The Subs Are Bridged Within The Box. Maybe Thats The Problem. The Gain Is At Approx. 1/2. Also The Subs Are 250w RMS Each If That Helps Fixing My Problem.
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Well, you absolutely must know the impedence of the sub.  It is a requirement.  It isn't a number that is nice to have, it is a number that is required.

Most subs will say right on the back of them what they are.  If you don't want to take them out of the box then you can disconnect the wiring from the amp and use an ohm meter to get a general idea.  Once you know the impedance of the subs then you can decide how to wire them.  Unfortunately, ceratain impedances and amps just are NOT compatible with each other.  You must pick the impedance of the sub based on how many subs you will be using and the minimum ohm load you can put on the amp.

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Posted: January 11, 2008 at 3:48 PM / IP Logged  
Well I Don't Know The Exact Model Of The Subs, But I've Looked At MTX's Archives. They Have 2 Different 12" In That Series. The Subs I Have Can Be A Minimum Of 4 Ohms Each, 12 Being The Most.
If Need Be I Can Take One Out Of The Box, It's Not A Big Deal.
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Sorry Double Post, I Meant 3 Different Subs. 1 Is 4 Ohms, 1 Is 8 Ohms And 1 Is 12 Ohms. I Definitely Have One Of Those 3 Models.
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You most likely have either 4 or 8, but 4 and 8 are night and different.  4s will work in some situations, other situations will require 8.  There is ALWAYS a 'best choice' when dealing with 2 subs.  Typically, if you have two subs you want 8 ohm.  This is because most amps are 2 ohm stable.

If you have two 8 ohm subs wired in parallel you'll have a 4 ohm total load.  If you bridge your amp with that load your amp will "see" 2 ohms.

If you have two 4 ohm subs wired in parallel you'll have a 2 ohm total load.  If you bridge your amp with that load your amp will "see" 1 ohm. 

The difference between 2 ohms and 1 ohm can be overheating, fire, fuses blowing, amps dying, subs blowing, etc. 

Again, knowing the exacft impedence is required here.

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Ok, Thanks For The Info. I'm Gonna Check It Out Tommorrow. It's Raining Cats And Dogs Out Here.
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Posted: January 12, 2008 at 8:51 PM / IP Logged  
OK So I Went To Have A Friend Of Mine Check It Out Today, Turns Out There Were A Couple Of Problems.
The Subs Were Bridged On The Amp, So He Un-Bridged Them. Then The Amp Kept Cutting, Come To Find Out That One Of My Subs Was Blown. So He Unhooked The Wires From The Terminals On The Sub And On The Amp And Left The Other One.
I'm Looking For 2 New Subs Right Now, Any Suggestions?

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