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bradleonard 
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Hey Guys

This is a box that I designed and built for my 1999 Nissan Frontier King Cab. As you can see, it sits behind the driver seat. It currently holds a 12" Rockford Fosgate XLC 8 ohm driver. I am using a Fosgate Punch 250a2 for power.

I pretty much designed this box with space in mind. The sub points downward and the amp is on the other side of the box in a recessed space. Box design is not really my area of expertise, but I had this same setup in my car with a more traditional shaped box and it sounded great.

MY COMPLAINTS: when I first got this thing all hooked up the box seemed like it was little bit mushy sounding or ringy. I was also having a problem with hearing a lot of vocals and higher frequencies through the sub.  So I got some poly fill and stuffed the box. I didn't fill it up totally, but pretty close. I think I might have put in too much poly though.

These are what I think the problems are with this setup, please let me know your thoughts.

1. I am using the crossover on the amp, would a deck crossover or external active crossover be a better solution? Would that help eliminate higher frequencies better than the amp crossover, or is the amp crossover sufficient?

2. Is the sub facing the wrong direction? I am not getting the kick out of this that I want. Should the sub be facing another direction?

3. I have the amp bridged, but its a 4 ohm amp and the speaker is an 8ohm driver. Although I seem to have plenty of power. The box size is approximately 1.2 cubic feet. It is a sealed box design.

Is my design all wrong, or is it workable?

Let me know.

Thanks for any advice you can provide!

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2 things I notice off the bat is you have an 8 Ohm speaker bridged into a 4 Ohm amp, that can cause problems.  Second, the sub probably needs at least 1.2 cuft of air space possibly more.  I have a pair of rockfords (older series but still) and I know for a fact that they will have their best performance at 1.33 cuft of air space.  You should try taking the poly fill out completely and see if that helps anything.  Check the settings on the amps crossover as well, you could have a switch incorrectly set, I've only delt with one rockford amp so I'm not sure of rockfords amp crossover settings.  The only other thing I can see is the amp is facing down, could be putting strain on the sub and/or the floor could be blocking noice or distoring it.  Just try moving it around and seeing what sounds better.  Good luck.
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The 8 ohm thing isn't the problem, at least not entirely. Using the 8 ohm sub you are only getting approximately half the power that amp can give, I would recommend getting a four ohm. When you add the poly fill to the box it "can" add upto 20% more airspace. Also if you are hearing any vocals or highs coming from the sub then either you havwe the crossover set wrong or the amp is bad, the crossover should be set on "Low Pass" and if you can adjust the frequency it should be between 45-60 htz.
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1.  If you hear high frequencies through your sub, your crossover is not set correctly.  Either the deck or amp xover should work - check your settings - but an external is usually higher quality.

2.  Not all subs can be mounted down-firing and function properly.  The RF Punch series has very low linear excursion specs (0.3") and is not a good candidate for down-firing mounting.  That being said, it will finction in this configuration, although not at peak performance.

3.  Running an 8-ohm speaker to a bridged stereo amp is fine.  The amp will operate at its 4-ohm stereo rating level.

1.2 cu ft sealed enclosure with 50% polyfill will result in a 1.32 effective enclosure volume.  That should work for this driver.  Be sure your enlosure is sealed and has no air leaks (including around the driver after mounting.) 

I suspect the ringy sound is mainly due to high frequencies in the system.  If the bass is too mushy, try removing half of your stuffing to tighten the box.  Also try elevating the driver more than you have it to allow more air flow in front of the driver. 

You may find this speaker will never sound right in a down-firing configuration.  Try rotating the enclosure so it is firing close to vertically and see if the sound quality improves and you will know.

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Another thing you could try is placing a board on the floor beneath the sub to see if it will change the sound..  What is happening is that the carpet is obsorbing some of the waves and reducing the effects of your sub.  If you pay close attention you probably lost some sound volume but managed to get more feeling from your sub (your truck vibrates like the sound is real loud).
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DYohn gave you some very solid advice

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I agree with the others, but I can't stress the crossover settings enough.  To me, it sounds like you have the crossover set to high pass, not low pass.
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All that and one more, the sub could be out of phase, switch wires on the sub see if it helps.
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Phase will probably not be an issue in this case. There is only one sub and no other speaker in the vehicle can play as low as it does, so no cancellation will occur.
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I've noticed that even the smallest leak on a sealed box can make quite a difference with sound quality....Well at least the "mushy" factor.  Make sure all the screw-holes and seals are well sealed.....  The fact that it is firing straight into carpet, that's also covering factory sound deadener probably doesn't help much either, like fuseblower said.  Also, when you built the box, did you take subwoofer displacement into account?  That's a common mistake I notice amongst people, and box volume can make one heck of a difference! 
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