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Tweeter Pop - too much power?


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bignastyjb 
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Posted: September 16, 2005 at 11:26 PM / IP Logged  

I have a question that may or may have an easy answer.  None the less, I have exhuasted almost every option I can think of.  I recently purchased an Alpine MRV-F540 from a friend.  I was driving a set of Infinity Reference components and a set of Boston Acoustic Coax's in the rear.  In the dash I have the Kenwood DDX-7017 (supposedly 5 volt preamps).  At high volumes, with the gains on the amplifier at about 1/3 (fair below nominal & .5v) the tweeters begin to pop.  Some friends/coworkers suggested that the amplifier had too much power for my speakers and recommended I purchase a pair of MB Quart components for the front and just tone down the rear. 

So two days ago I installed a nice set of MB Quart Referenz Premium 6.5" Components.  These speakers are rated at 60-130 watts RMS.  My amplifier is rated at 80 watts RMS, (which this is supposedly very under rated).  After all of this work, I am still having the same problem.  At higher volumes my tweeters are still popping.  The Musicomp crossovers that are included with the MB Quarts are equipped with a light bulb that is supposed to "eat" distortion and clipping, but it does not always light up when this popping occurs. 

I thought maybe I needed better speaker wiring so this evening I completely rewired the component set with very large 12ga speaker wire, both from the amp to the crossover, and from the crossover to the speakers.  I still have the same problem.  I put a meter on the amp's power terminals, and at the highest volume, during the tweeter popping the voltage is still at 13.5-14.0 volts, (I have a 1 Farad Capacitor).  The only other things I have considered are, (1) that maybe my rear speakers are damaged (maybe not consistantly reading 4 ohms especially when the coil heats up) and possibly causing the amplifier to act strange???, (2) the amp is damaged (hard to beleive)???, (3) I have the amp at it's max and I want more than I have invested (which would just flat out suck because I guess we always want more???

I have been around and involved semi-professionally with car stereo for the last 4 years and I am very frustrated with my system at this point.  If any one has any ideas they would be greatly appreciated. 

Cheers,

Jon

sedate 
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Location: Colorado, United States
Posted: September 16, 2005 at 11:51 PM / IP Logged  
Cheers Jon, Cheers.
Whoa ... 1st off let me say I absolutely love the whole proper sentence/punctuation thing you have going on. Very nice.
Now, your grasp of things looks great. I like the troubleshooting you did before posting about your goofiness. Elimanates like 20posts worth of guesswork.
Here's the rub: I have absolutely nothing to offer you as far as a solution. You clearly know how to install speakers.... and have taken all the goofy steps ppl take when something is wrong. There are wayy smarter ppl than me here though. Wait till morning eh?
I just really, really like your attention to grammer.
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Posted: September 17, 2005 at 10:21 AM / IP Logged  

Speakers pop for a couple of reasons.  One is over-power and the popping you hear is the speaker "bottoming out" or reaching its mechanical excursion limits.  Another cause is a crossover set too low for the speakers capabilities.  And a third is that the speaker is not causing the sound, the amplifier is due to clipping.  Since you are wisely using the factory crossovers you can rule out #2.  I suspect your problem is a combination of the first and third, especially after reading this statement:

(3) I have the amp at it's max and I want more than I have invested (which would just flat out suck because I guess we always want more???

What do you mean you have the amp at its "max"?  If your gain is too high the sound you hear may result.

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