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jechilt 
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I have a 2002 Audi A4 Avant (Wagon) that has blown speakers.

I plan to purchase and use eD speakers.  I definitely would like to replace the woofer.

It is worth buying a kit to get bigger speakers up front? 

I am happy enough with the stock Bose Symphony system and I don't want to lose the functionality of the head unit. (not that it is great...but I am not in a position to replace the head unit right now)

I want to put in an eD 12 inch woofer and need to know if it would be better to have a dedicated amp or just replace the factory woofer and allow the factory amp to power it???

Does anyone know if it is hard to replace the factory sub with a new sub?  I know there is a size difference so some mods are required.  Most important is whether I can use the factory amp woofer output to power a bigger woofer or do I add a dedicated amp for the woofer? 

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No, don't use the factory amp to power an aftermarket sub.  Get a seperate amp for that.  You'll also need to build an enclosure, have one built, or buy one that's premade to the recommended size.
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jechilt 
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do you think the factory amp is good enough for the main speakers?

I am not sure how hard it would be to keep the head unit and replace the speakers and amp.  I have a Helix 5 channel that i would love to use but I don't want to lose the functionality of the head unit.

any idea of the front speaker size?  I keep seeing references that this car uses 6-3/4 in the front door but the grill looks more like a 4 inch to me.  might have to strip the door down.

thanks for the info thus far...

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In the front the amp is on the speakers themselves, and in the back i believe the amp is in the trunk. In order to interface new speakers you two options. One is by an expensive adaptor that integrates the speakers with the boise system. Another is to bypass the boise system completly, which means running new wire to the doors, then eather buying a new HU or using an aftermarket amp connect the speakers to it.
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Yes, you can use the factory amp to drive the speakers.  You're only upgrading the sub, correct?  Be sure to disconnect the factory sub when you do all this so you don't get any wierd cancellation issues.

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jechilt 
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godblessdremil wrote:
In the front the amp is on the speakers themselves... In order to interface new speakers you two options. One is by an expensive adaptor that integrates the speakers with the boise system...

If what you are saying is true and the amps are on the speakers up front, it bothers me a lot more because I was assuming one of the front speakers was blown (though it does act and sound normal at times...like a bad connection).  If I don't have a bad connection, it could possibly be the amp on speaker.

This brings up an interesting dilemma...if the head unit does have an rca out on the back, do I run new cables and use my Helix 5 channel to power the system or do I opt for the "expensive" adapters and replace the main speakers with MB Quart (or the like) and only worry about replacing the sub.

Speaking of subs...anyone know where that thing is hidden on an Avant?

thanks for the info!

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Your factory deck will not have RCA outputs.  If there is a problem with the factory system, then I actually recommend replacing the whole system (including the deck).  I believe there's only one amp in this car- are you sure there is a factory sub?
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You need a proper interface adpator between the stock head and the great Helix amp. Use the Audio Control 6XS for this. Yes it says it is a crossover, it is also however, a line driver, subwoofer level controller and a highly advanced LOC. Nothing wrong with keeping the stock headunit provided the interface adaptor is the right one. In my opinion, you can do far better than Ed for speakers. Keep on looking. I would take anything, even Sony and Audiobahn before I bought Ed.
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jechilt 
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geepherder wrote:
Your factory deck will not have RCA outputs.  If there is a problem with the factory system, then I actually recommend replacing the whole system (including the deck).  I believe there's only one amp in this car- are you sure there is a factory sub?

I have been out on the Audi forum and there are guys out there that swear there are RCA outputs.  I don't know because I am not willing to tear the dash apart.  I am now past the days of 5000 dollar systems.  I rather be able to take my kids fishing!  Anyway, I think the head unit is fine.  I just have a front speaker that is troublesome, especially when it is cold out.

I am not 100% on a sub being in the car.  There is pretty good bass and it would be pretty impressive if the low tones are coming from a normal back speaker.  I think I will need to look into this a bit more.  In any case, I do plan to add a woofer in the rear quarter panel

jechilt 
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Posted: March 30, 2006 at 6:20 PM / IP Logged  

forbidden wrote:
You need a proper interface adpator between the stock head and the great Helix amp. Use the Audio Control 6XS for this. Yes it says it is a crossover, it is also however, a line driver, subwoofer level controller and a highly advanced LOC. Nothing wrong with keeping the stock headunit provided the interface adaptor is the right one. In my opinion, you can do far better than Ed for speakers. Keep on looking. I would take anything, even Sony and Audiobahn before I bought Ed.

I have used the eD woofer(s) for quite a while.  I am not interested in trying to achieve high SPL levels and the eD woofers have been great for me and the installs I have done or seen.  If there is a woofer for the price that is more effecient and provides better performance, please share.  I am open to different manf.

I do want to keep the head unit.  I need to do more research on those front speakers so I can determine if I can easily replace them or if I need to go out and find another set of Bose.

Also, since I have read about the built in EQ on the head unit, I might experiment and see if I can clean the sound up a bit through the midrange level...

thanks for the info!


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