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asianspeed 
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Posted: August 05, 2003 at 7:10 PM / IP Logged  

Ok, I'm in a situation right now.  I had a "professional" installer do my install of my alarm.  Except now I've moved and the wires under my steering wheel are just too crazy.  So I'm planning to figure out all the wires and see if I can straighten things out.  Oh yeah and I've got a '99 integra.  And what the installer said was that the ignition was replaced, so it's not the stock one.  So I think the wire colors are different from stock.

Well anyway, I've got 3 problems.  What can I do to troubleshoot these things.

1)  The shock sensor doesn't seem to be working.

2)   The autostart is acting really weird.  For one, when I remove the key from the car, it's supposed to stay on, and it doesn't.  But it only does that randomly, I haven't been able to figure out what the problem is.  My ebrake is up, but I think that's disabled because it will stay on sometimes when the ebrake isn't on.  And the doors are closed and all that good stuff.  And then during the times that it does stay on and I'm able to arm it properly, when I return to start it.....sometimes it will, sometimes it won't and then other times it will start and then it will try and start the car again, because I hear the starter grind.  Please help me!

3)  I thought there was supposed to be a starter interupt as well as a backup batter on the brain?  I ask this because I was able to disarm the alarm by 1) disconnecting the battery and 2) disconnecting the brain.  And when I disconnected the brain I was still able to start the car.  This really scares me.

Please, if you are experienced with this sort of thing, please help me.

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Posted: August 05, 2003 at 7:40 PM / IP Logged  
Never worked with an Aladdin alarm, but I'll take a guess anyway.
1. Well, first thing would be to turn the shock sensor way up and try it again. Also, remember that the alarm usually ignores the shock sensor while the remote start is on. Also, make sure the sensor is plugged in, and that there is no obvious damage to the wiring.
If it still doesn't work after that, there are ways to troubleshoot if it's a bad sensor, bad alarm brain, or bad wire harness between the two...but check out those basic things for now.
2. That does sound weird. I've never installed one of those manual-transmission remote starters myself, but I understand how they work----you have to do things in a certain sequence in order for the car to start next time.
I would start by going right to the alarm brain and test that each of those special connections is working properly----the parking brake, door trigger, and so on.
Also, you probably know this, but if someone were to break into your car while it were parked, the remote start wouldn't operate next time. Is it at all possible that you are leaving a window open, and someone is reaching in and opening your door, but then closing it again without stealing anything?
3. Yeah, that's pretty much how it goes. Most starter interrupts are wired as "normally closed"---that is, the starter is allowed to operate unless the alarm is activating the starter-kill relay.
On the other hand, a "normally open" interrupt will never allow the starter to operate unless the alarm is activating the relay.
I hope what I typed makes sense. A normally-closed setup is easier to steal, but is also more reliable for the customer----if the relay or alarm brain should go bad, the car will still start, preventing a towing bill.
There are very few alarm brands that even have the correct output for a normally-open kill-----your installer could probably not have done such a setup even if he wanted to.
About that backup battery---where is it on that brand? It might be a 9-volt battery inside the brain, or it might be in a separate location--------but no matter where it is, the brain can't control anything on your car if it's not plugged into anything.
asianspeed 
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Posted: August 05, 2003 at 9:08 PM / IP Logged  

Yeah, I understand the sequence to activate the remote start and I'm following it.  All doors closed, ebrake up (although it hasn't mattered at times), gear in neutral, and don't touch the brake pedal.  So I know that's not the problem.  These things that are going wrong, don't happen just once, they happen often, but never in a certain pattern...just completely random.  Right now I'm considering going through each wire and seeing what's hooked up to what and redoing the wiring, labeling them and also soldering them for secure connections.

Anyone know what else might be causing this?  Is there a way to check if the brain is damaged or something?  Thanks.

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Posted: August 06, 2003 at 12:55 AM / IP Logged  

1. The Aladdin has a 2 minute elapsed time before the impact sensor will activate

2. Check your ground on the unit to ensure that it is a solid & clean ground. Also, the e-brake is not a necessary connection on the Aladdin systems for RS on manual transmission vehicles. The only thing that you have to have connected is the doors & the foot brake.

3. There are two ways to hook up a starter disable system. One is open and one is closed. The Aladdin is set up for a normally closed type starter disable relay.

Jeff
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asianspeed 
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1)  Ok, I will check on the impact sensor.  I think that I might have tested right after I armed it.

2)  Yeah, I was thinking that it's probably a bad wiring job, so I will check that as well.  Do you have any idea what else might be causing those random problems?  Just incase it is grounded properly...  And thanks for confirming that the system does not check for the ebrake...it didn't seem like it did, so that's one thing that works properly.

3)  And I guess the starter disable is also working as designed.  I just thought that it was kinda strange that I could stop the alarm and start the car by just removing all wires from the brain.  :(  I guess I'll just live with that.

I just had a thought for the second question of mine.  I've recently been messing with my injectors and my idle.  Could the idle level affect why the car would shut off some times when I remove the key?  Because I'm using larger injectors in my car, so sometimes it has a hard time idling correctly, it will sometimes get low enough that the car almost shuts off by itself.  So could a 100 rpm level make the alarm think the car is off and mess up the sequence?

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Posted: August 06, 2003 at 8:38 AM / IP Logged  
Whenever you mess with the TACH signal , you have to re-program the RS unit to compensate for the new tach. Try this and see if this helps you.
Jeff
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asianspeed 
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Posted: August 07, 2003 at 2:40 AM / IP Logged  

ok, I figured out problem 1.  The plug into the impact sensor fell out.  So I plugged it back in.  :)

Problem 2 is still there, but I think I do know what the problem is.  It has to be the tach signal.  Does anyone know exactly how this works?  Does it check for a certain voltage from the tach or something?  I ask this because I'm running larger injectors with my car, so it's hard to idle them correctly.  They will flucutate from 500 rpms to 750 rpms.  When it drops below 550 rpms, the alarm shuts the car off.  So that's my problem.  Anyone know of a good way to get around this?  Because my tach will sometimes be at 750 and then sometimes be at 500.  I think I need to have the alarm learn the tach when it's at 500 and I'm hoping that anything above that will still work.   Any comments?

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Posted: August 07, 2003 at 5:25 AM / IP Logged  

Use your idle pin screw and adjust accordingly.

Jeff
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asianspeed 
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Posted: August 07, 2003 at 6:11 PM / IP Logged  
Oh I know how to adjust my idle.  The problem is that I'm using larger injectors than stock.  and my larger I mean almost twice the flow. And because of this, my ecu has a hard time keeping the idle consistant.  So even if I were to adjust the idle screw, it would still do that.  But thank you for that suggestion, normally that would be the solution.
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Posted: August 08, 2003 at 11:38 AM / IP Logged  
The only other thing I can suggest is a fuel management system from AEM . Then you can change anthing you want as far as fuel, air mixture & power curves for the engine.
Jeff
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