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casedeez 
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Is it helpful when you have limited air volume inside the vehicle to fire the subwoofers down? For example, will it be more benifecial for me to fire 4 12's down rather than towards me or the back of the truck?

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the only way that would accomplish using less air space was if you ment having the subs inverted on top of the enclosure. if thats what you ment then yes it will help with your airspace problem other wise no. also not all sub can effeciently be fired downwards as stated in many post lately 1 being here.

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casedeez 
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I am trying to find out if mounting my subs downward would increase the performance of my subwoofers DUE to the limited air space inside the cab of my truck.
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Posted: May 04, 2004 at 10:47 PM / IP Logged  
Down firing will not affect the subwofer's performance as long as it can handle the installation.  It can reduce the speaker's ability to handle power as it limits its excursion capability, but that's why the 5% max sag idea comes into play.  In general, the only "advantage" to this mounting is making it fit into available space, protecting the woofer cone, and a little potential apparent increase in SPL at lower frequencies since you have forced the soundwaves to travel farther by bouncing the sound off the "floor" rather than aiming the sound towards the listener.  This increases the distance the sound waves must travel and can, potentially, sound better at lower frequencies.
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casedeez 
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Well I came up with 3.1 for the first eqaution and 19.4 for the second one. Is that bad to have 19.4 for the second formula?
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if you did the formulas correctly (they are the same thing just written different) you should have gotten exactly the same thing.
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Another thing to consider is the opening or space between the subs/box and the floor. It you place the box to close to the floor, you can cause some issues with  cancellations and whatnot. I'm going thru this exact same thing with my setup (still working on).

According to JL Audio, the rule of thumb is the opening the subs fire out of must be at least 60% of the cone area of the woofer(s).

So be careful with how you set everything up, and you should be fine.

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casedeez 
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What do you mean by opening?
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There needs to be "clearance" between the subs and the floor of your truck. This allows the subs to do their work (move back and forth) and produce sound. To get the box off of the floor, you will need to make spacer blocks around the perimeter of the box or just add so much extra stock to your box dimensions to get the box up. If you use the latter method, you will need to leave one (or more) sides open. This "opening" will need to be big enough to get the proper sound from your subs without wave cancellations occuring. See my previous post to determine the opening size.

In my case, I will be using 3 10" subs. Taking the surface area of (1) sub, multiplying X3, then multiplying again X.60, gave me an "opening" of 141.xx in^3. So my box needs to be like 3" from the floor with a width of nearly 47" across. Since I plan on using spacer blocks, I should be more than safe in getting the best sound from my system.

Hope this helps.

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casedeez 
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Wow another something learned. On the other hand I heard something somewhere stating that bass waves pass through most materials such as wood and thin metals. If thats the case then would it really matter if the opening was bigger or not, as long as the box was raised enough to account for the cone excursion. You said you got this from a jl tech right?
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