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Posted: February 21, 2006 at 11:47 AM / IP Logged  

I've got an extremely hard-headed customer that wants to replace his radio in a 05 Envoy but refuses to spend the extra money on either a chime module (GMCO) or the T-harness for retaining the factory radio.  Other than a loss of the warning chime, what are the other drawbacks to doing the install without either of these.  I've never tried it before because I've always heard that you need to do one of the 2.  I don't want to do it if its going to cause some other problems in the vehicle.   Thanks.

Paul

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Posted: February 21, 2006 at 11:56 AM / IP Logged  
Just tell him you will do it but not warantee it unless you do it the way you normally do and know it works. new gm with out a chime module -- posted image.
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Posted: February 21, 2006 at 12:17 PM / IP Logged  
    * Vehicle Customization Menu Options:
      ( Most Cavaliers, Sunfires and other base models do not offer most, if any of these features.
      Check the vehicle owner’s manual to see available features. )
    * Displays current settings
    * Oil life monitor reset
    * Tire inflation monitor reset
    * Delayed headlamp illumination
    * Automatic door lock and unlock
    * Remote visual/audible verification of remote lock/unlock
    * Enable/Disable content theft
    * Enable/Disable trunk lock shock sensor
    * Short or long horn with remote lock/unlock
    * Key fob transmitter programming
The radio is used as a control panel to communicate with the vehicles computer for the customization of certain “convenience features”. All features work and remain at current settings with the factory radio removed, but can only be customized and/or reset by an authorized service center. More important than the above features and chime, there is no switched 12vlt. power supplied in the radios plug, so it will need to be sourced somewhere else such as the factory fuse panel. A 10A to 30A fused accessory power source is recommended. Depending on the vehicle there are several choices in the factory fuse panel, such as the sunroof or windshield wipers.
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Posted: February 21, 2006 at 4:30 PM / IP Logged  
In Canada it is also classed as a safety device, meaning it is illegal to remove this from the circuit. This is due to the fact that seatbelts are mandatory and the seatbelt warning chime, well guess where it is located as well. So the hard headed customer needs to settle down and realize that it is a must instead of a maybe.
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Tell the customer to go have it done somewhere else if he doesn't want it done right. This is the type of customer nobody needs and is just as likely to come back later and expect you to do it right the way you suggested for free once he discovers the downside. Getting a few bucks for a bad and incorrect install that has your name on it just isn't worth it. Let him be someone else's problem.
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Posted: February 21, 2006 at 6:03 PM / IP Logged  

What Sparkie said is absolutly true. I don't have much expierience as a shop owner, so a couple of times I allowed a customer to have it done there way just to appease them. Well, they always come back and expect us to fix it, even though we warned them it might not work correctly if done they're way.  

Sebastion K.
So Cal Audio Concepts
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Posted: February 22, 2006 at 10:41 AM / IP Logged  
the thing you have to remember is that  YOU set the benchmark for the quality and integrity of your install work, not your customer....
Kevin Gerry
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Classic Car Audio
since 1979
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Thats what my installers told me. I've learned the hard way that the customer is not always right...
Sebastion K.
So Cal Audio Concepts

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