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jshelpman 
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I have a 2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited with no factory key fobs. I am installing a Avital 2101L keyless entry, I had removed an avital 4200 remote start so I will be using the DEI 455J that was already there. My question is which of the door lock wires (2101L) do I hook to the 455J?
The DEI 455J has
GREEN (-)lock/(+)unlock and a BLUE (+)lock/(-)unlock.
The Avital 2101L has
GREEN/ BLACK (lock #30 common output)
WHITE/ BLACK (lock #87A normally closed)
VIOLET/BLACK (lock #87 normally open input
BLUE/BLACK (unlock #30 common output)
VIOLET (unlock #87 normally open)
BROWN / BLACK (unlock #87A normally closed)
If anyone is familiar with this setup please help!
Also I was wondering about the horn , the old remote start had the brown horn wire going to the horn wire in the steering column with no relay or anything so I am assuming I can wire the brown horn wire from the 2101L straight to the same place or does the 455J control the horn with the locks?
jshelpman 
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Posted: January 15, 2014 at 7:11 PM / IP Logged  
On the 2101L harness the H1/7 VIOLET/BLACK and the H1/9 VIOLET wires are spliced together with a fuse and come out as one wire that is violet/black. Not sure why, so instead of six different wires for the door locks there are five. If that helps anything.
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Posted: January 15, 2014 at 7:17 PM / IP Logged  

The 455J does not control the Horn, so connect the 2101's horn output to the Jeep.

I might be looking at a newer / older 455J install guide but here goes.

The Avital 2101L has
GREEN/ BLACK (lock #30 common output) to 455J GREEN (-) ARM/LOCK INPUT
WHITE/ BLACK (lock #87A normally closed)   not used
VIOLET/BLACK (lock #87 normally open input        Chassis ground
BLUE/BLACK (unlock #30 common output)             to 455J BLUE (-) DISARM/ALL DOOR UNLOCK INPUT
VIOLET (unlock #87 normally open) not used
BROWN / BLACK (unlock #87A normally closed       Chassis ground

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jshelpman 
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Posted: January 15, 2014 at 7:42 PM / IP Logged  
THANKS for the quick reply.
I must not have all of the manual but that sounds simple enough but what about the violet/black and violet wires being connected in the harness? Since the violet is not used should I clip the violet to separate them? The connection between them is a factory connection at the in-line fuse.
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Posted: January 15, 2014 at 7:52 PM / IP Logged  

OOOPS...     Sorry, going too fast on that one.   avital 2101l/dei 455j -- posted image.  This is correct :

GREEN/ BLACK (lock #30 common output) to 455J GREEN (-) ARM/LOCK INPUT

WHITE/ BLACK (lock #87A normally closed)   not used
VIOLET/BLACK (lock #87 normally open input        Chassis ground
BLUE/BLACK (unlock #30 common output)   to 455J BLUE (-) DISARM/ALL DOOR UNLOCK INPUT
VIOLET (unlock #87 normally open) Chassis ground 
BROWN / BLACK (unlock #87A normally closed       not used

The Violet and Violet/Black with the fuse stay together and go to Chassis Ground.

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jshelpman 
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Posted: January 15, 2014 at 8:18 PM / IP Logged  
Now that makes even more sense. Might take me a day or two to install but I will update you when I do.
THANKS, saved me a huge headache
jshelpman 
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Posted: January 15, 2014 at 9:39 PM / IP Logged  
kreg357, One more question, the 2101L has a RED constant +12v batt and a yellow +12v ignition wire. Do both of those need to be wired or just the RED? I am pretty sure I know all the rest of the wires.
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Posted: January 15, 2014 at 9:43 PM / IP Logged  
If you want to use the 2101's "ignition controlled door lock and unlock features", you must connect the Yellow wire to the vehicles Ignition wire at the ignition switch harness.  The Red has to be connected for the 2101 to work.
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jshelpman 
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Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:16 PM / IP Logged  
Wow. I guess I really didn't understand the installation. That's what I wanted to hear because I like the factory Jeep set up with the doors locking after its in drive and moving better than the locking 3 seconds after starting, I know I can turn that off. The old system was like that and locked my key in while it was running a couple times, only have one key. So I will not be wiring the yellow ignition wire.
All your help is fantastic
Thanks
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Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:35 PM / IP Logged  
Do you have the Gray or Black ignition key?  If it's Black, there is no transponder system and you can use a plain $1.99 hardware store key.  Always best to have a spare or two.  Even if it's a Gray transponder key, a plain metal key will open the doors in case of a lock-out.  Hide it under the bumper and even if a thief finds it, it won't start the Jeep.
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