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pipes 
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Posted: February 11, 2003 at 6:02 PM / IP Logged  
I want it to be pushed once to turn them on and pushed again to turn them off. The way the switch works is it has three wires. When the ground is connected and one of the other wires is used the LED on the switch lights constantly and the when the other wire is used it lights when pressed and held and goes off when released. I want the LED to come on while the lamps are on and go off when there off. How would this be accomplished? I have looked at the diagram on the12volt but have some issues with it. Thanks for any help  Sorry if it doesn't make much sense or is in one sentence.
pipes 
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Posted: February 12, 2003 at 3:38 PM / IP Logged  

Disregard the above. I got the LED fixed but need to figure out how to make the relay stay on once the momentary button is pushed and then have the relay turn off when pushed again. How would this be accomplished, it's driving me nuts! Is the momentary to constant diagram what I need, if so can some one explain it to me.

Thanks.

pipes 
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Posted: February 12, 2003 at 6:09 PM / IP Logged  
Well I know I need a set/reset logic circuit, question is how to I build one and what do I need.
cruzinlow66 
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Posted: February 12, 2003 at 7:40 PM / IP Logged  

A logic circuit sounds like overkill for what you need it for.  Do you have a switch that you just have to use, or can you use something else?  Radio Shack and many other parts suppliers have push on/ push off switches or push buttons, however not all of them have built in LED indicators.  

Another option may be a latching relay.  You can wire it so when you push the button with the parking lights on, the fog lamps will turn on.  When the parking lights are turned off, the fog lights will turn off and won't turn on again until you push the button. 

There are quite a few ways to go about it, depending on what you already have.  Don.

pipes 
Copper - Posts: 51
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Posted: February 12, 2003 at 9:03 PM / IP Logged  
I'm trying to recreate the factory setting using the factory switch which is momentary, I want to be able to turn the lights on and off when ever wish. The only way I know of is a set/reset logic switch. I just need to know how to make one, overkill or not.
TomEllis 
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Posted: February 14, 2003 at 3:12 PM / IP Logged  

I found a web site that describes something similar to what you want.

Go to: http://www.tfs.net/~petek/autoelec/simple/togrel.htm

I think this is what you are looking for.

Tom

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Posted: February 14, 2003 at 3:41 PM / IP Logged  
If I could make out the diagram it sounds like just what I need, I understand how things work but those diagrams boggle my mind. Where would I get DPDT relay anyway. Where would I find one of those latching relays that cost $60 bucks? There must be a way to accomplish this with a series of relays but I have yet to figure it out. I have however made a circuit that turns the lights on and stay on with one push, but they don't turn off. I need to find a way to break the ground temporarily using the same switch that turned it on. Any thoughts.
TomEllis 
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Posted: February 14, 2003 at 4:01 PM / IP Logged  

I found a place to purchase the latching relay. go to:

http://www.watsons-streetworks.com/brake_switches.html

About half way down the page is the relay.

The othe way to make the circuit above work with the automotive relays is to put two relay coils in paralell with the transistor output. this allows two relays to act as a dpdt relay.

Tom

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Posted: February 26, 2003 at 1:02 PM / IP Logged  
How would building one be accomplished using standard 30amp relays. Really need help.
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The following is a latch engaged by a momentary pulse that will stay engaged until power or ground is interrupted on the latch (relay shown on the right in the diagram):  https://www.the12volt.com/relays/page5.asp#mtc Here's another example of a latch using SPDT relays. https://www.the12volt.com/relays/page2.asp#psk You can also purchase latching relays from your local electronics supplier or on line here: http://www.goodmancomponents.com/products/
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