2008/09 saturn vue problems

Have had 2 of these new PK3 Saturn Vue's in the past week and both have given nothing but problems. 2008 got a audiovox 9056 and FLCAN with FLR3 which is what it calls for and has firmware for. We were out of all other bypass's except the FLCAN, so we weren't able to test any others. We could not get the FLR3 programmed at all. The instructions say start the car with a valid key, turn off and remove the key, place the chip by the key cyl. and remote start within 10 seconds. Problem being is that the audiovox has a built in delay time and usually takes longer than 10 seconds to respond. Also if you look at that procedure it is very similar to the new key programming procedure as described in the owners manual. Only in there it says you have 5 seconds to power up the ignition the 2nd time, not 10. We had to let that vehicle go, without completion, and promised to get them back in as soon as a solution was found. So my boss gets ahold of a 2009 for me today that we could keep all day. Not wanting to end up at the same stand still as before i skipped over the flash logic bypass (they don't list 09 yet anyways) and started with a PKUCG2X, tho now looking at their site, it appears to have been an older out of date module. The new one listed is completely different than the one i used. Anyways that one wouldn't program the transponder chip, and it wouldn't start holding the key up to the cylinder. It would power up the ignition, fall out for crank but nothing would happen, and then shut off and restart 2 more times. (this all with tach hooked up.) Next i tried a PKUGM2X, which did fully operate the code wires, and it would start with just holding the key up by the key cylinder, so i knew it was wired and operating correctly, just not picking up an rf chip. I tried programming that every way i could think of. Starting, powering up the ign. Turning it to on for 5 seconds, 2 seconds, on off quickly, waiting for the passlock to go out, all with the same no start result. Tried all of that with remote starting in place of W2W powering ign., same result. Tried it with the module both plugged in, and unplugged. Sometimes it needs 12v to power up the chip for programming, but that didnt work either. I also took the PCB out and made sure i held the chip itself firmly and closely to the transponder ring. I am at a loss for words as to how frustrated i am! I ended up burying a key to deal with the rf signal, but this is not a solution we are willing to use full time. I thought Chryslers were bad...at least they do take after a while! Anybody have any ideas?

though i know its now been a year since this post, i just freshly did an 08 vue today and it has both the gm pk circle plus transponder key(even though key had NO stamping on it) AND had the hybrid passlock like the colorado/canyon/hummer h3 did both and system worked fine as i said sorry its a year after your post but this was first time id looked for an 08 vue post since becoming a member so i answered as soon as i could :)

I appreciate a late answer more than no answer at all I have since figured out an easier way to program the FLR3 chips, and i would guess all of the new gm chips, is to use 2 vehicle keys, one wrapped in aluminum foil. Turn the unwrapped first key on and start the vehicle count to 2, immediately turn the first key off, and insert the 2nd key wrapped with aluminum foil (shiny side out) along with the chip to be programmed and start the vehicle. If done correctly the chip will immediately program and the vehicle should continue running as normal. If using some of the bypass kits that require cutting of the passlock wires be sure they are correctly attached during this process. I find it easier to do this as the first step. The original problem i was having when i posted this question was the Audiovox 9276 i was using has a built in delay of 7 seconds after ignition, and the key programming requires a maximum of 5 seconds between steps. Hope this helps someone else tho!To master and control electricity is perfection. *evil laugh*

or since i install audiovox product as well and have had issues with that 7 second delay what i do for programming an extra key( as per manufacturer only 1 key required to enter programming) i have a jumper harness made up consisting of 3 ends i turn the 1 key on for 2-3 seconds turn it off insert blank key and jumper power between the pink(ign) and brown or yellow(acc) to a constant power thereby activating the vehicles igintion which then learns the new blank key i wish the 9276 and 9776 was like the 9056 and didnt have that damn delay i dont know why 1 system doesnt have it when the others do hope this helps(have never tried the aluminum foil trick ill have to do that though as im assuming the foil prohibits the transponder chip in the key from being able to be read

jim hunter wrote: ...have never tried the aluminum foil trick ill have to do that though as im assuming the foil prohibits the transponder chip in the key from being able to be read

that is correct sir We try our best not to bury keys anymore, so thats why we use the bypass chips.To master and control electricity is perfection. *evil laugh*

The 9056, you can turn the ignition off and remote start immediately without trouble. The 9276 (or the alarm/start combos) have a long delay, but there's a way around it: 1. Turn car's ignition on, do whatever you have to do to get into programming. 2. Turn ignition off. 3. Press and release brake pedal. 4. 9276 will now fire up immediately when you hit the remote start! P.S. The Vue, as well as many other newer cars, don't allow the brake lights to work with the ignition off. But the brake lights will usually work in the Accessory position. In that case, do this: 1. Put foot on brake and HOLD during the entire time, until Step 4. 2. Turn on ignition, do whatever you have to do like entering into bypass programming. 3. Turn key SLOWLY from Run, to Accessory, to Off. 4. Release brake. 5. Activate remote start.

awesome tip chris, thanks i had heard you could bypass 9276 delay by doing this i just have yet to verify thanks again

the 08 vue seems to be a weird animal, did another one today and could not no matter what i tried get it to program a16261 key( from howard keys) even though the last one i did2 weeks ago, had to get key thru the dealer, ahve it cut and program it that way, noticed with the hybrid passlock wired in car woudl remote start and work fine with the factory key in bypass without acc wire powered up?????? W.T.F.? also howard keys list the 16261 key for a saturn but the vue has a different notch pattern as the key can not be inserted into the ignition,couple folks ive talked to said for some reason the 08 vue is a weird/sperate animal from the equinox when it comes to key and hybrid passlock

appears i may have had a bad key from howard( would be a first) as i tried resuing that same key on a 10traverse and it would act like it programmed yet would sometimes start but illuminate service theft deterrent system, or it would crank but not long enough to fire, i tried another key and that one worked fine so im sending this key back to howardkeys to be tested god i hate days like that LOL

Offering my $.02 late as well - with Audiovox units I'll activate the remote start while the ignition is still turned on with the 2nd(Fords) or 1st(GMs) key. Requires a bit of juggling and quick movement, but it's worked well for me.C Renner's Auto Electronix

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