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Posted: April 20, 2005 at 11:04 PM / IP Logged  
ok... stupid question... after reading this post and the 'what is a proper ground' - when you measure the resistance of your ground (at the end of your ground wire that goes into your amp), where does the other lead go? disconnect the battery, then put the other lead on the neg term of the car?
Znergy 
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Posted: April 22, 2005 at 12:43 AM / IP Logged  
I have just read this entire thread and it contains tons of great info. I really didn't see anyone say way they would do the big 3 though. I mean do you suggest that everyone does this or is it when you reach a certain amount of amps. When would you suggest this someone do this. I assume it really gepends on the amount of amps that your system is drawing. I'm a newb to the forum do bare with me incase this has been gone over before.
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Posted: April 22, 2005 at 11:37 AM / IP Logged  
The BIG 3 (or 4) is recommended to do for every audio system upgrade.
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Posted: May 12, 2005 at 6:16 PM / IP Logged  

As always, excellent forum, has been quite a resource for me (and many others alike).

From the factory ground I've run the HU, an Equalizer, car alarm, and a door switch (to operate door locks separately from the alarm).

I have no alternator whine, but I was curious if this would affect any operation of these devices, now or in the future?

I was thinking of avoiding this setup and running a direct line from the engine bloc just to make sure nothing happens in the future - is this overkill?

Thanks in advance.

RedKatanaX9 
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Posted: May 14, 2005 at 10:36 AM / IP Logged  
Hi, I am running into alternator whine issues as well. The noise increases when the A/C is on. Please help. Ground Q/A sticky - Page 12 -- posted image.
Car: Mazda Protege5 2002
Basics of my system: Eclipse CD5444 -> Pioneer EQ (DEQ-9200) -> 3 Alpine V series amps - 2 channel driving the MBQ tweets (let's call it Amp-T), 4 channel driving the front door Infinity mids (Amp-M) and a Mono driving 2 JL 10" subs (Amp-S). RCAs (StreetWire ZeoNoise series), speaker wires, remote-turn on were ran on the passenger side, power cable on the left side. All three amps grounded under one backseat bolt. Power cable is 4 gauge in -> distri block -> 8 gauge out.
The things I've tried:
Unplugging the RCAs after the EQ, no noise.
HU RCA directly Amp-M, no line in to the EQ but with RCAs still connected to it, noise! Then I unplugged the RCAs coming out from the EQ to Amp-T, no noise.
Only HU RCA to Amp-T, no noise.
Use all new RCAs from EQ to all the amps, draping over the seats and console, noise!
Ground EQ and Amps all under one bolt, noise!
Ground HU + EQ directly grounded to -battery, noise!
Ground each individual amps directly to the battery, noise!
Could running remote turn-on together with RCAs causing the noise, but I thought it carries little current.
Right now I think it might be the EQ causing the problem. It is grounded together with HU on the dash support.
The HU and EQ gets +12 V and ACC from stock wiring harness. Could it be the EQ/HU not getting enough power?
I had replaced my HU with the current Eclipse from an old Pioneer, but the noise's still there, albeit lower, I think.
Should I run new RCAs from HU to EQ?
Run new battery cable from battery to HU+EQ?
I've spend several days trying to figure this out, to no avail. Going crazy! Ground Q/A sticky - Page 12 -- posted image. Thank you guys, any help is appreciated.
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Posted: May 14, 2005 at 9:28 PM / IP Logged  

Sorry for the delay guys, I have been super busy here at the shop lately.

mtxblau - if you have no noise issues right now, then unless you change, add or have a component electrical failure in the future, you should be fine.

RedKatanaX9 - no issues running the remote on with the rca's.

- bypass the eq entirely as it is more than likely the source of the noise. It is also manipulating a higher output signal from the eclipse. Run new rca's direct from the cd player to each amp and retest again.

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Posted: May 15, 2005 at 12:36 AM / IP Logged  
hey rob its T. Monkey
RedKatanaX9 
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So after compling my notes I decided that it had to be the EQ. All the connections to it and from seemed clean but then I thought the factory +12 V constant wires was just too thin to power both HU and EQ. So I ran a fused 12 Gauge power wire directly from the battery to the HU and EQ, and voila, noise was gone!!!
So all along the EQ wasn't getting enough juice, and perhaps was straining for power and somehow picked up alternator whine. Also gone was a slight high pitch humming even when the enging was not running. Thanks for all your help. Ground Q/A sticky - Page 12 -- posted image.
zachzchw 
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I have a noise, a terrible, terrible noise. Its present as a loud hum with the key turned forward, but the car not running. Start the car, and its louder, and increases with RPMs. Wiring is ran as follows:

rca cables/remote turn on lead/ one set of component speaker wires on the drivers side

power cable under the car, through the frame, comes up on passenger side

one set of component wires on passenger side

ground to d block, grounded with seat bolt, scraped clean of all paint, securely fastened,tested with DMM

Equipment:

Pioneer 860MP

Elemental Designs 9.4

Resonant Engineering RE series components

Scosche RCA cables

When I unplug the rcas, the noise stops. Looking for suggestions on what to try, in order of what is most likely to solve the problem.

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Posted: May 23, 2005 at 1:02 PM / IP Logged  
Take the ignition wire from the Pioneer and jump it to the constant 12 volt line. Does the problem go away. Unplug the antenna next. Run a new power, ignition and ground line. Take the unit out of the dash cavity, does it still make noise. (in case it is a 85 ford pu). Chances are though that you will still have this noise. This is indicative of a piss poor internal ground plane in the Pioneer cd player, meaning time for service or replacement.
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