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oldspark 
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Posted: March 07, 2010 at 7:55 PM / IP Logged  
Based on my experience, you won't Patent it.
And I would question what it is about your pattern that makes it so different and appealing that you will secure a market...
And what makes it so special that it cannot be imitated.
It is all too simple to put detectors to each LED/bulb, record what they are doing, and program a chip to do it.
If yo ca do what you are doing with a programable chip, then progam it. There is no way a discrete IC design is going to compete.
And you best protection is the "locking" of that chip's software, and selling enough before the imitator's jump on board.
Understand that a Patent costs $thousands, makes the design "public", and there is no "Super-Patent-Man" or Woman that comes to your rescue when somebody rips it off. And in 16 years (usually), everyone is free to rip it off.
Sometimes a simple "Copyright" may be all that is required (as in music & written stuff), else Registered Designs etc.
But you "design" will not be your chips & hardware - it will be what they do.
Your 4049 is a CMOS chip.
Most of the 74xx series chips have their equivalent 40yy CMOS variants.
You get CMOS chips from the same place as the 74's.
Hunt for datasheets by function - eg Hex inverter - CMOS, LS, TTL. Try freescale etc. (Or google!)
Unfortunately my system will be offline for a few days (maybe) so I can't give you specific info...
seasonalskier 
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Posted: March 07, 2010 at 8:36 PM / IP Logged  
Ok, well thank you for the information I will search for the CMOS chips. I am going to try to get protection on this circuit because its not out there right now. If I can get a small protection on it and then sell it to a company on a per kit basis I should be able to make some supplementary money to help me pay for my education. I realize that this is not going to be a circuit that will make millions, thousands or probably even hundreds, that is not what I am out for. I want to make this circuit and then get it out for the public so I can see it on the road and say hey I invented that circuit! But of course I want some return on my work. I have been screwed by a company in the past that is why I am going to protect this one so they can't just steal it. If yall want I can post some completed designs and videos when I finally finish it.
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oldspark 
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Posted: March 07, 2010 at 10:46 PM / IP Logged  
You don't need a patent for that - just a Confidentiality Agreement.
Have you discussed the marketability with anyone?
I find that many think they have some new innovative idea or breakthrough product, unfortunately they don't.   
As to ideas, a general rule is the prototype & idea is 1% of the final production/marketing cost (and the idea/design 10% of the prototype) - but that's too vague for this....
And again, unless you can present the final package with marketing, distribution etc (ie, a Business Plan), you may only have a circuit. And if that isn't with an appropriate PIC etc, then you are merely selling a lighting sequence idea.
And it may not even be legal. (I had to remove my mirror indicators and things that these days are accepted & common...)
I don't mean to kill your idea, but don't be too unrealistic.
As I said, it must be quite novel - not just a new flavor for an old product....
Maybe too the first step is explaining what it does - not how.
But if what it does gives it away, then there is no point patenting or protecting the circuit itself....
seasonalskier 
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Posted: March 08, 2010 at 1:27 PM / IP Logged  
I would describe to you what it does, but I am currently in talks with a company that would like to buy the design off of me and they specifically told me to not discuss the product, but I took an exception for this website because I did not know how to successfully complete the project within the time range that I told them I would have a working prototype. I realize you are trying to keep me down to earth about the circuits possibilities and I am a very down to earth person and wouldn't take it this far without reason. :)
Novice tinkerer, master of mistakes :)
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Posted: March 08, 2010 at 1:44 PM / IP Logged  

Did they complete a non disclosure agreement before discussing the project?

Why would they want YOU to not talk about it?  You should be talking to as many people / companies that you can get to sign the non disclosure.  It will only make the project more valuable (ie sell it to the highest bidder).

If they are telling you to not talk to other people they obviously don't have your best interest in mind (and you wouldn't expect them to, they are trying to make the most money they can).  I wouldn't be surprised if they took your idea, possibly even with a non disclosure, outsourced it to China and had the same thing made for 25% of what you are going to have in it while you are sitting by not talking to other people about it! 

Kevin Pierson
oldspark 
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Posted: March 08, 2010 at 5:32 PM / IP Logged  
seasonalskier wrote:
...that would like to buy the design off of me and they specifically told me to not discuss the product
So you must have some sort of agreement or non-disclosure agreement in writing.
seasonalskier 
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Posted: March 09, 2010 at 1:32 PM / IP Logged  
Correct there is an agreement as of right now. But nothing is in writing yet therefore I am not going to give them the final product until there is. If they refuse to put it in writing then I will go about getting some form of design protection so that I can market it to other companies.
Novice tinkerer, master of mistakes :)
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