Thanks for the
knowledge gain. I do write
too much but it mirrors a
practical tuition class that may include alternate explanations or analogies, various dependencies, considerations and traps. The problem tho is not giving too much or worse - confusing the basics instead of emphasising them and showing how "simple" they are.
[ More importantly to me is NOT having tunnel vision. IMO so many have arguments with me because they don't see past their rut nor understand other interactions - aka the big picture - and they confuse situations & theory, The Red dude is a classic as was a recent deleted thread hereon. In person verbals or classrooms rarely have such problems because if real time interaction & adaptation. (And for some reason, people seem to avoid getting personal in person. I often wonder if they would if remote writing?) ]
Anyhow, it was not my last reply that was epic I thought it was.
Ok, I think the voltage drop with/without controller from the solar panels is easy - it's a typical "non ideal" power source. Jump to the diagram/graph below, or read the following if needed.
The ideal power source (battery, generator, solar panel, partner) has no resistance, ie a "zero-impedance power supply".
That means no matter what load is placed on them, they retain constant voltage and no voltage says (brown outs etc).
In the case of partners, it means that despite them gibing you the support or strength for real life, they exhibit zero resistance to your directions - ie, scratch back, find keys, do shopping, empty garbage, earn income.
Alas it's not an ideal world. A battery is (modeled as) an ideal battery (eg always 12.67V with infinite current etc) and a series resistance (often referred to as ESR = Equivalent Series Resistance which increases in resistance as the battery discharges).
Hence a fully charged 12.7V battery with ESR of 10mR supplying 100A with have a terminal voltage of 12.7 - (100A x 0.01 Ohm) = 12.7 -
1.0V = 11.7V.
(FYI - The same battery if ~10% discharged (ie, 12.5V) might have ESR = 15mR hence 12.5V - (100A x 15mR) = 12.5 -
1.5V - 11.0V.)
For solar panels, look at
www.reuk.co.uk's
Measuring the Power of A Solar Panel for the fllowing:
So no-load or no controller connected panel output is the highers voltage - ie, the y-axis "Voltage" value when Current = 0A.
Add a load and current increases. The panel voltage will be as read off the graph above - ie, the Voltage corresponding to the point on the curve with whatever current - aka the Operating point.
If that voltage is close to zero, then that panel is undersized for that load at that light intensity - maybe it's night time or cloudy?
Of course if the voltage is less than the battery terminal voltage, the panels won't be supplying any power. [ That's why MPPTs are used - apart from possibly including boost converters, they will sit at the maximum POWER point of the curve - which may be 17V for that light power and panel - and buck convert to 14.4V charging or a float of 13.4V at the battery terminals (else MPPT output). ]
BTW - That VI curve is similar across many power sources and circuits - eg, batteries, zenor regulators, alternators.
TV-wise I'd buy neither since neither are FULL HD. (Even my 23" PC monitor is FULL HD if not better.)
But otherwise - all things being equal, the unit with 12V connection especially since it comes with a cig-socket interface hence - unless that interface cord includes a regulator converter - meaning that its 12V DC input is indeed automotive 12V - eg up to 15V or 16V and lower than 12V without damage.
The AC-only version requires an inverter (DC-AC) which adds cost and inefficiency (probably ~30% of the load), and usually quite a high standby current (often 10W or more).
And similarly, an equivalent (automotive) DC DVD.
Tho I no longer have to carry an inverter (and a spare) to run my stuff because I have gradually sourced dc versions or supplies (cheaply!), I still carry a small inverter (but no spare) as a fallback in case of dc adapter failures.
AC/DC options are great for terrestrial travelers. (And for some, AC-DC is a good band, but I'll limit my pun/joke to that...)
FYI - for some reason many think that (modern) dc dc converters have no AC and hence no electrical noise. Except for linear down converters, AC is involved in all dc dc conversion.
In fact dc-ac inverters should be "quieter" than dc-dc converters because inverters are only dc-ac whereas (non-linear) dc-dc converters are dc-ac-dc. But their design means that the inverter AC output usually causes the noise.
However, some dc-dc converters are known to be far noisier than almost any inverter - they can cause havoc to FM & TV and even GPS reception, and effect car audio, PCs, etc. (Dare I mention the M4 car PC supply?)