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hotwaterwizard 
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Posted: January 02, 2008 at 9:10 PM / IP Logged  

I believe he may be looking for a comparator circuit.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~rpaisley4/Comparators.html

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Posted: January 02, 2008 at 9:34 PM / IP Logged  

The LED alone will draw ~25x more current the the transistor with the 10K base resistor.  If he is truely concerned about keeping the integrity of the signal in tact the transistor would be the way to go.

In most systems you could ignore a 25mA load, but on a signal wire there may not be enough current to drive the light directly and still transmit the data reliably.  Without more information it would be impossible to tell.  if it were me, I would be more comfortable with the smaller load, especially considering the parts are dirt cheap, and we arn't adding many components.

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Posted: January 02, 2008 at 9:36 PM / IP Logged  
hmm I think he wants one Led on when nothing is on and one on when it is on.
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Posted: January 02, 2008 at 10:08 PM / IP Logged  

If the two states are necesarry, or even to simplify everything, just use a SPDT reed relay (I didn't know they made SPDT reed relays, I've never seen one).

Assuming a 12vdc control circuit: http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?name=PB283-ND

At 12vdc it draws 5.3mA!

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Posted: January 03, 2008 at 8:14 AM / IP Logged  
i think some of you might of misunderstood what i mean.
thats prob my fault for not explaning right
the main issue is that the switch from one led to the other can only be of the 4 SENSOR wires of a XY pad on a korg kaoss pad
switching leds with relay on sensor wire - Page 2 -- posted image.
the screen is not powered bye anything, all the power wires remain in the unit. so only the sensor wires are what are left to switch the led
on blue one for off when the xy pad is not being touched.
and one rapid LED for on when the xy pad is being touched causing the sensor wires to tell the unit the xy position
hotwaterwizard 
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Still not explained well.

If this thing is enclosed how are you going to add a sensor?

You could monitor the current draw from the battery, If there is a fluxuation then an LED can light up.

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Posted: January 03, 2008 at 9:01 AM / IP Logged  

I'm not familiar with a Korg Kaoss pad, but it now sounds like instead of monitoring button pushes you're trying to monitor the movement of an alalog controller?

Much more information is needed here. 

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Posted: January 03, 2008 at 12:29 PM / IP Logged  
like i said im not to good at this so ill try my best
- the korg kaoss pad is an audio effects controller, normally used by DJs and to a lesser extent Guitarists
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak--xicxDqI
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=mhNejyIyxdE
- the devices screen is its anolog contoller imput, so depending on what setting and where you put your finger on the pad.
-the screen is connected to the main PCB by a ribbon cable containing 4 sensor wires.
- the LED seen in the unit is not the one im talking about, that is imbedded in the main PCB
-in the guitar mod shown on the second youtube vid, you extend the four sensor wires to the guitar using a cable.
what i want to build is an LED system inside the guitar thats independant of all that. that is only activated when the pad (now in my guitar is touched
any other questions?
thanks for your imput guys.
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Posted: January 03, 2008 at 12:41 PM / IP Logged  

There are too many unknowns for me to give you any information.  I would guess that hotwaterwizard is on to something with his advice about the comparator circuit. 

You will need to know exactly what each of the four wires does in order to interface with it.  If you can't tell us the function of the four wires then all we'll be doing is guessing, which is all we've been doing anyway.

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yer i know thanks for advice. ill run the 4 wires up to multi meter to see if theres a change in voltage and report back
thanks again
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