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frizkysquirrel 
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Posted: January 15, 2008 at 3:54 PM / IP Logged  
holy ****!
the resistance through my ground to the battery was 4 ohm.
i added a 4 gauge wire from my battery negative and bolted it directly to the chassis and preped the area before attaching it. now the resistance is around .2-.4 ohms.
this should help, but unfortunatly i broke one of the tips off of my current rca cables so i will have to go buy new ones to see if this helped with the noise.
i will let everyone know if it helped later today.
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Posted: January 15, 2008 at 4:40 PM / IP Logged  
Yes, that should help.  With that high a return resistance you definitely had a ground loop happening.  Check the return resistance in your head unit as well.
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Posted: January 15, 2008 at 11:25 PM / IP Logged  
Well thank you for the compliment. Really. As voltage drops current will increase as you pointed out. My point is that the performance of the amplifier suffers as a result. Am I right? Will all types of amps perform the same at 11 or 9 volts as they will at 14.4 or 12volts? Maybe its just semantics, but if there is any change in the amplifiers performance due directly to voltage and or current drop then that amp is starved for power. If an amp can not be starved for power then we are all wasting money on large gauge power wire, right.
Amps with poor ground connections are prone to noise. I base this on 15 years of experience and a theory that I have. Of coarse I could be wrong. The theory that I have is that signal voltage is a direct result of difference in potential between the source and the amp. In the event that the amp or the source has an increased resistance to ground the potential for signal voltage will drop. This will also become worse as current (and therefore resistance) increases. This is exactly the reason that you suggested regrounding the head unit. The voltage drop that is a result of a poor ground to the head unit will cause a decreased signal voltage. This causes the RMS value of the musical content traveling across the RCAs to be too close to the noise floor, resulting in audible noise. On top of all of that an amp that is receiving insufficient voltage will clip with even a moderate input signal, adding to the noises. Ever see an amp that pulses the subs in and out at about one cycle per second because of a bad ground? In an effort to respond to your last post I found myself digging out my MECP advanced study guide (2004 I think) and came across page 24 (Power supply and distribution). If you have this guide sitting around please look this up. I think that by reading this page you will see exactly how I relate Kirchhoff’s laws of voltage and current to this topic. Not that I am absolutely right, but you will see my logic.
Like I said I could be wrong. And I have never taught circuit theory (beyond the bay). If I am wrong, I would be very interested in getting my hands on the documentation that can set me on the correct path.
frizkysquirrel 
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Posted: January 16, 2008 at 12:38 AM / IP Logged  
well that did improve the sound quality of the subs, but there is still a lot of noise.
i guess ill go with regrounding the head unit next. if this doesnt work ill have my friends uncle, who has built and repaired amps for kicker for 10 or more years to take a look at the amp and make sure its working properly.
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Posted: January 16, 2008 at 2:56 AM / IP Logged  
Unfortunately for you, Kicker (just like Pioneer does on their headunits) puts a fuse in the shield path of the RCA shields. If your ground wire comes loose while the amp is playing, it will cause the fuse to blow. You need to use your ohm meter and check the resistance from the RCA shields to one of the middle speaker connections. This should be 0 ohms. I am betting it is a lot higher than that.
frizkysquirrel 
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Posted: January 16, 2008 at 4:39 PM / IP Logged  
well, my factory ground for the head unit is .2-.3 ohms so i should not have to reground that, unless it would help to reground it anyways?
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Unfortunately for you, Kicker (just like Pioneer does on their headunits) puts a fuse in the shield path of the RCA shields. If your ground wire comes loose while the amp is playing, it will cause the fuse to blow. You need to use your ohm meter and check the resistance from the RCA shields to one of the middle speaker connections. This should be 0 ohms. I am betting it is a lot higher than that.
well i checked that what you explained to me, but it did not give me a reading at all. i wonder if perhaps the connection inside the amp for the rca inputs it bad. if the connection is loose i would assume that would be the reason for all of the random noise, and it would explain the why when i tap or touch the amp the subs make noise.
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Posted: January 16, 2008 at 4:57 PM / IP Logged  

If you got no reading at all your amp is suffering from exactly what I said earlier.  Just to confirm that this is the problem, connect an extra speaker wire into one of the middle speaker terminals, either left negative or right positive,  touch the other end to the outer part of the RCA jacks, this should make a slight pop and then the noise will go away.   I actually fixed one today and I took pictures of where you need to install a jumper.  If the wire solves your problem, let me know.

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Posted: January 16, 2008 at 6:14 PM / IP Logged  

This picture is of the fuse itself.  It is on the bottom of the board, the 6 connections nearest to the fuse are the RCA jack. The fuse has the letters  TH on it.

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If you do not want to order a fuse, it can be replaced with a 1 ohm 1/4 watt resistor.      This repair can also be done on the top of the board.    It will probably be a safer repair if done on top of the board.  You won't have to remove the board from the heat sink.

frizkysquirrel 
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Posted: January 16, 2008 at 6:34 PM / IP Logged  
can you tell me what are the info for the fuse. volts? amps?
or would it be perfectly ok to replace it with a resistor?
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Posted: January 16, 2008 at 7:24 PM / IP Logged  
It will be perfectly OK to replace it with the resistor.  
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