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megaman 
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Location: Montana, United States
Posted: September 28, 2008 at 12:16 PM / IP Logged  

I'm grasping at a comment made on another thread by Howie.  We are once again at the time where Remote Starts dominate the northern climates.  So, with the weather turning colder we are also bombarded by a slew of idiots trying to install one in their own vehicle.  The thought of these idiots, and I call them idiots as they pertain to this industry, is that they are good at their own jobs and are quite smart, so reading a wiring diagram shouldn't take too much brain juice.  So I have a little story to shed light on this attitude.

A Gynacologist decides he's had enough of his job even though he is considered one of the best Gyno's in the world, and decides to get back to his primal instincts and change professions to a mechanic.  He goes to an Auto Mechanic University and studies hard.  He has a hard time through-out the course of his studies and it finally comes down to his final exam so he can barely graduate if he passes.  The exam is to rebuild the engine of a Ford Crown Victoria.  The class begins their final exam and after several hours, the students begin finishing thier exam and one by one they leave the garage.  The Gyno labors on.  Six hours pass and he labors on.  He pushes through the night and finally the next day, late in the afternoon, he turns the key and it starts up smoothly.  His fellow classmates have left dozens of hours earlier and the former Gyno hangs his head and awaits his failed grade.  The instructor looks over his work, and hands the man his final exam grade.  A+.  Surprised by the grade he asks why he recieved such high marks when it took him so long to finish the project.  The instructor looks him in the eye and with a slight smile, simply says:

"Yes it took a while to rebuild the engine, but I've never seen someone do it through the tailpipe!"

Moral of the story is to stick with what you know.  You may be able to finally figure it out, but leave the job to the professionals.

howie ll 
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Posted: September 28, 2008 at 1:10 PM / IP Logged  
Brilliant except I always thought WE  needed gyno training when we try and get at certain cables in certain cars. On the rare occasions I inflict myself on customers I'm amazed at their lack of knowledge about their own vehicles e.g. total or comfort close on Euro GM, VW, BMW etc., let alone explaining by-pass kit requirement on EVERY Euro car since Jan 97. Some are so difficult that some Peugeots require 2 ign 1's to fire up at the same time, fun when you have to cut one when you're installing a Euro Cat 1 alarm at the same time, then there are the ones who gett wzized off when you explain a solenoid added to a hatch is about £200 because of the labour and they look at you like you're mad  'cause they think the alarm and r/s is going to be done in their lunch break. The worst DIY posters are those who think they can post questions with no knowledge of their car or electronics and don't do a search beforehand  OR listen to what we suggest. This is an extremely useful sight if you are prepared to use it.  How many times do I want to scream RTFM or take it to a specialist. On another track, current UK BMW's have "efficient dynamics" where the engine shuts down at traffic stops etc. How is this going to effect R/S? Will we be able to disable it? Other manufacturers are bound to follow. Oh please give me mid-90s Japanes with a well tuned igntion system.
KPierson 
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Location: Ohio, United States
Posted: September 28, 2008 at 6:33 PM / IP Logged  
There's always a way Howie!
Kevin Pierson
howie ll 
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Location: United Kingdom
Posted: September 29, 2008 at 3:02 AM / IP Logged  
You can say that Kevin the relay king, I believe you're half my age so you're somewhat less cynical! Anyway I'm depressed, my soccer team spent $130m on players in the close season and are firmly holding up the rest of the Premiership.
bullpar 
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Joined: October 25, 2006
Location: United States
Posted: September 29, 2008 at 9:39 AM / IP Logged  

Well I perfer to install my own remote starters because a so called professional at a garage that installed remote starters left me stranded and almost dead. One night up here in MN it got down to -25 or so. Miles from any town I was driving when all of a sudden my car went dead. After a life threating experiance and nasty frost bite,  I looked in to the wiring of the remote starter. Where the guy hooked into the ignition system he twisted the wires together with tape. When the car  got really cold and with the vibration it failed. I do advanced Avionics for  living, I rewired the system and installed raychems. The remote start works every time now. I have another story about certified dealer wiring on my minivan, but wont get into that.   If I got caught twisting wires on a plane they would have my head.

Moral is do your research before hiring sombody, just because they worked at toyota or wherever for 20 years dont make them a professional.

paidnfull 
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Joined: October 24, 2007
Location: Texas, United States
Posted: September 29, 2008 at 9:42 AM / IP Logged  
rtfm ?
paidnfull 
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Posted: September 29, 2008 at 9:43 AM / IP Logged  

Nevermind.  I think it means "Read The F'n Manual"

howie ll 
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Posted: September 29, 2008 at 10:52 AM / IP Logged  
Bullpar you have brought up the first thing a professional should learn....SOLDER SOLDER  SOLDER.  One company even made us cable tie the joint after soldering, insulating tape AND amalgamating tape. I do tape the loom where my cables join it, and also cable tie or screw in every component using taptite screws or  bolts with "nyloc" nuts, I also spray under-hood components with water retarders. Yes I charge but it's amazing how few comebacks you will get for another 10mins on the job no crude puns intended. Yes Paidnfull it means exactly what you think it does.
bullpar 
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Posted: September 29, 2008 at 11:20 AM / IP Logged  
Absolutly, Me and another guy at work got into a contest. Our planes came in at the same time. We did a complete overhaul of the avionics, I mean every inch of wire came out.  My plane took almost a month longer. The company was wized with me but my plane never returned from the test flight everything went perfect. My parteners plane is still returning with problems, due to the way he ran the wires he now has to fight wire chaffing and breakage. It certanly pays to do the job right the first time.
howie ll 
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Posted: September 29, 2008 at 12:34 PM / IP Logged  
Bullpar, it occurred to me that with your background you should have no problems with vehicle wiring. PS I've caught a Mercedes dealer installing a M/Benz approved alarm i.e. rip you off and joining the alarm feed to the trunk pin switch with just insulating tape. If we hadn't  have been doing a top-end audio set-up and stripping the car I'd never have noticed, suffice to say we then checked the whole installation, photographed everything and told the customer to send them the rectification bill. A year later I installed a phone kit in a 180, customer says heater not working, they quoted $300 dollars to rectify, (this was in 1992) I got the customer to let me look, my cables were 6" away from a Bowden Cable, try harming that and I stripped out the control unit to find a spindle had come off, put it back and sent the happy customer off to the dealer with my bill. 14 years later one of our own MLs developed  a problem with the ESP unit where all the warning lights would come on. We sent it to them and I jokingly gave them how to details on the job. I knew where the unit was 'cause we tapped pin 1 for analogue VSS. Get a diagnostic bill for £250 ($450) AND a cracked windscreen. Yes threats of legal action resolved it, but this dealership is Mercedes owned!!! Then your Toyota comment, get called to a Toyota owned dealership (biggest in UK) a Yaris won't ignite. The alarm (don't know who installed it) gets the blame, they've had it for three days and want to get shot of it. Took me 20mins to discover feed into interior fusebox was going nowhere and another 10 mins to rectify, another example of common sense and experience versus shop manual and dealer "mechanics"
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