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zac.gant 
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Posted: November 30, 2008 at 6:44 PM / IP Logged  

I am impatient and could not wait until tomorrow so I went ahead and tested everything this evening as far as removing components to find the cause.  The components seem to be fine nothing caused the amp to go into protect mode.  But after putting everything back together and going to town the amp goes back into protect mode.  It is either the amp or the power draw from the amp.  I replaced the factory headlights yesterday and they are a larger wattage than stock so I am sure that is not helping.  The amp is going into protect mode even faster and at lower volumes than ever.

I am thinking of doing an alternator swap, the one that came on the Frontier is rated at 100A but the one for a Nissan Quest is 125A and a direct bolt up, would 25 more Amps make a difference, or am I throwing more money away?

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Posted: November 30, 2008 at 8:40 PM / IP Logged  
Yep, unless the amp is defective it seems to be shutting down on low voltage.  Upgrade the Big 3 if you haven't already and you'll need a high-output alternator.  There is also a chance the sub or one of the speakers is shorting out... Pioneer subs used to be known for defective voice coils.  Disconnect the sub and if there's no problem, try a different sub (or go to the shop where you bought it and have it tested.)
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zac.gant 
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I did upgrade the Big 3, is upgading the stock alternator of 100A to the one off of the Quest 125A enough or do I need to go larger than that? 

I am not competing, it is only a 540 watt amp, with a set of 6" components up front, 5.25" 2-ways in the rear and an 8" sub.  I was not really expecting that much of a power draw on the system. 

I have run 2 12" subs on 1000 watt amps with seperate amps for front and rear components in the past on smaller cars, and never upgraded anything, not the Big 3, alternator, or had to use any capacitors, what is the deal with this truck?

zac.gant 
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Posted: December 01, 2008 at 7:37 PM / IP Logged  
I think I am going to try a capacitor before I do anything else.  The amp is cutting out when I first start the truck, and then again when I accelerate from a stop or slow speeds.  I guess something on the truck is drawing voltage away from the amp when I accedlerate.  I am still confused, but I am going to find an alternator from a Nissan  Quest at a U-Pull it yard in the next week or so.  I just want to listen to my radio, very frustated.
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Posted: December 01, 2008 at 9:33 PM / IP Logged  

1.  Get the amp and your speakers/sub checked out.  Go to a reputable shop and have them check it.

2.  Get your alternator load tested at an automotive electrical shop.  While you're there get your entire electrical system checked as you may have an issue that the sound system is revealing.

The above assumes there is nothing wrong with your installation or setup, based on your replies in this thread.  That does not mean there is nothing wrong, however, so while you're doing #1 above, have them verify the install.  And don't waste your money on a cap, it's not likely to help.

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Well I went today and had the system checked out.  All of my wiring is fine, and supposedly all of my components are fine.  I was worried about the amp, but it it is not the problem.  The professional I spoke with said that all of my components were good.  He spent alot of time testing everything, even pulling off the battery to test it.  He said I did not need a capacitor, the alternator may be putting out too much power.  The voltage at the amp was between 13-14.3 no matter what I was running on the truck, lights heater, blinker whatever.

The only explanation he had was that I may be getting too much power to my amp.  This does not make sense to me.  He never saw more than 14.2 volts at the amp or less than 13.8 V.  I am thinking he may not know what he is talking about.  The system is cutting out less than before, mainly at either acceleration, or braking, it does fine at normal driving. 

The installer I spoke with thinks that maybe I am getting voltage surges at accelaration or braking, but he does not have any proof of that with a Multi-meter, someone please help me out.  I know how electricity works, and I have done plenty of installs prior to this one.  How can he determine this without some proof, and what can I do to fix it?

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Posted: December 06, 2008 at 8:20 PM / IP Logged  
If the voltage was going up high enough to shut down the amp, you would be having other problems with the vehicle.  "Too much power" is not likely the cause.  You say it only cuts out during acceleration or braking? Might be a loose connection at or inside the amp.  Is the amp moving around or it is securely mounted?  You might also have an exposed speaker or power wire that is shorting out by movement as well.  If you can, turn the system on and pick up the amp and shake it.  If it cuts out, there's your problem.  The amp may be defective.
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I am leaning towwards the amp as well, this guy that checked it out did not impress me.  I am going to check all speakers AGAIN but everything seems fine.  I asked the guy why I would not be having problems with anything else if the alternator was sending too much power, he had no explanation,  Like I said he did not impress me, but he was recomended by a friend and a complete stranger.  I went to Radio Shack Last night looking for more power cable and after I explained the situation he recomended the same guy.  I could see this if I lived in a small town but I am in San Antonio TX.  I wanted to take it to someone else immediatly but I had to watch those GATORS beat Alabama!
zac.gant 
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The amp is mounted everything in the truck is installed correctly.  I have checked everything more than once.  It has to be something with the vehicle, I have installed stereo systems before and never had this type of problem.  Usually a multi-meter will find the problem.  This is my pesonal vehicle so I made sure everything was correct.  I am embarrassed to even have to ask but this thing is puzzling me.  I was asking about a capacitor earlier but I have never had to use them before.  I have taken this thing all the way apart, all the way back to stock, I have stripped the amp, and tested it, I really have no clue.  It is even cutting off when the stereo is on mute, which means it should be sending no power to the amp. 
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Posted: December 07, 2008 at 9:58 AM / IP Logged  
The amp is still getting power from the battery when your headunit is on mute.  It isnet getting any audio signal to amplify though.  This really seems like it is an amp problem if it is cutting out when the entire system is muted.  Try sending it back as defective, or returning it for a replacement.
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