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Posted: January 25, 2009 at 10:58 PM / IP Logged  

Did you even look into the site I linked for you?

How much space is behind this wall?  Meaning, starting from the wall with your 7X20" opening, how far back can you go?

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About 26"
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The slot' for each sub would be at the bottom left and bottom right, the actual enclosure would be behind the TV, since the compenent rack is filling up the bottom portion of the area.  I realize this is a somewhat radical idea, but I'm just trying to make do with the extra space I have back there.

home theater sub enclosure - Page 2 -- posted image.

Here is a see through of the subenclosure, and the slot the will have to channel the bass into the room.

home theater sub enclosure - Page 2 -- posted image.

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A port vented into the room is not the same as "channeling the bass into the room."  This is a bandpass enclosure, and all you will hear is the vent output.  If that sort of performance is what you want, fine, go for it.  Me, I'd build an IB manifold behind the openings, but you do what you want to do.
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Okay, so where are you telling me to mount the speaker?  I don't think I understand what you are saying.  The way I see it, the bass has to be fed into the listening environment via the 'slot' or, "port" either way.  So regardless, it seems even if the other side of the woofer in in an IB, facing it into the port, it will still be a bandpass, just single reflex, vs dual reflex.

As this website explains it.

Using IB would result in this...

home theater sub enclosure - Page 2 -- posted image.

Using my ported enclosure would result in this...

home theater sub enclosure - Page 2 -- posted image.

If it really is going to behave like a bandpass, my only option is to try to design a bandpass on purpose, so maybe I can actually tune it as best possible.

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This is the main reason I would rather use ported vs IB.  The red line is my vented enclosure, the orage line is IB.

home theater sub enclosure - Page 2 -- posted image.

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so the only space you have are the spots at the bottom of your entertainment center? why dont you look at some 8 inch subs that will fit there? as you stated, you would rather not go IB, but on the other hand i dont see your bandpass idea turning out very well as far as sound quality. channeling bass through a port multiple times just doesn't make for good sound quality, yes it will be loud, but at the expense of frequency range and sound quality.
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I've used the description in the forums before: "One Note Wonder"
Seriously, that's gonna sound terrible, at best. Transient response will be non-existant, and bandpass enclosures generally sound crappy, anyway. The "vent" volumes you have are HUGE, and you don't seem to really have enough enclosure volume.
Have you considered a TL in this application?
It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
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Well, you are all right, I tried playing around with the bandpass tuning out of curiosity, and it doesn't look too good.  Originally I was designing it thinking it would just be a ported enclosure, not being affected by the 'slot' but I guess this is not the case.  I never actually wanted to use a bandpass of any sort.

As for the use of 8" subs, I would be fine with that, but there is only about 4.5" as is, those grills are 7.5" wide, and for the front speakers I was already cutting about half way through a 2x4 on each side.  I was stretching at the idea of even having 7" width for the sub, plus the grills would have to be bigger.  I'm looking at it now, and I'm thinking, I might be able to fit some 8s if I angle them at 45 degrees or something, not sure how that would affect the sound.  But if it could sound decent, and I could get it to fit physically, I'm open to it.

As for the TL, I haven't actually considered it, and have little knowledge in that area.  I'm not even sure what benefit that would provide, or how it would be applied here, I'm open to suggestions as the idea for the sub behind the TV seems to be a no go, be it IB or otherwise.

Another part of the problem here is that I live with these complete wierdos, whom have their priorities all mixed up, and can't seem to grasp the fact that loud and clear rumbling throughout the entire house is truley important to the continuation of life as we know it, and we will all seize to exist if we don't feel T-rex coming 5 minutes before he gets here. =D

Now I'm thinking even 3 6" on each side might fit.

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i just read this. great thread! also, i was just about to suggest using 6" subs on the sides. trust me you would be VERY happy. the JL 6WO is pretty good, but you might really think about looking into some 6" FOCAL subs as well. heres the downfall........the part earlier in your post about the $$ amount you wanted to spend for the drivers(sigh). man, if it werent for that....i would say a slew of 6" subs is want you REALLY want.
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