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jetmech_jt8 
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This is a great site, the info and explanations are second to none.  Does this L-Pad have to be 4 OHM specific?  I'm hooking up to a 75 Watt RMS per channel amp.  I've got a set of components and one 4x6 speaker running off each channel.  The 4x6 is run right off the amp as is the components as well.
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I found 8 ohm 15 watt L-pads. I've been researching this but can't quite find what I'm after. I can wire the 8 ohm Pad for 4 ohms, but can't find the proper diagrams on how to do this
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Posted: April 21, 2009 at 3:30 PM / IP Logged  
You may not get adequate attenuation with an 8-ohm l-pad on a 4-ohm speaker. Either that, or your amplifier will see an 8-ohm load, and make less power, accordingly.
Best to find a 4-ohm l-pad. They exist...
It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
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Posted: April 21, 2009 at 10:28 PM / IP Logged  

When I was a rookie I was bound and determined to get more out of the amplifier than it was designed to deliver.  I, too, searched for Lpads and was lucky (I guess) to find a couple at a now defunct web house, and it wasn't easy, as you have seen, finding the 4 ohm variety.  I hooked up the rear speakers that way so I could turn them down lower than the fronts.

Well it wasn't long after that I got the amplifiers I needed for two component sets, two rear coaxials and one sub...just a four channel and a mono amp.  Now I don't need those Lpads but they're installed and staying in that car for the last four or so years, and they are still being used but not needed, as I could have used the deck's attenuation for the rears at that point.  It was a matter of me wasting money for something I should have done something differently about.  But I always look on the brighter side and consider it a learning experience ;)

You said you are hooking up a set of components and a coaxial to each channel.

"I'm hooking up to a 75 Watt RMS per channel amp.  I've got a set of components and one 4x6 speaker running off each channel."

It looks like you are trying to get too much out of that amplifier.  One channel should power one component set or one coaxial, not both.  Advice is to get the amplifiers you need to do the job right.  You'll be upgrading to what you should have had to begin with sooner than later.  Unless, of course, you are in it for the learning experience.

Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
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It's a 4 channel amp. The rear channels are powering the rear speakers. The front is as I mentioned, a 4 ohm component and a 4 ohm 4x6 . I figured I be ok with this set up as the amp is rated for 2 ohm stereo. I'm not trying to build a competition system by any stretch. Just want something that sounds good and has a bit of kick to it for the summer car thats rarely driven. Some of the posts mentioned using a plain 4 ohm resistor as well. Will this setup really over tax my amplifier?
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Posted: April 22, 2009 at 9:20 PM / IP Logged  

I didn't mean that the amplifier would be overworked.  I meant that you have to go to extraordinary measures because there aren't enough channels for the speakers you want to power.  But you could use resistors and if one doesn't attenuate the speaker enough, add another in series.

Use the tools found to the left in the blue help area, "parallel and series" resistance calcs to help with configuring resistors to give you the attenuation you want.

Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
jetmech_jt8 
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Posted: April 22, 2009 at 11:47 PM / IP Logged  

I want approx a 50% drop in volume and and cut everything below approx 500 Hz.  So I guess I'm looking at a 4 ohm resistor on each channel.  Are these just the standard resistor?  One you would find on a circuit board?  I would add them in series in order to increase resistance correct?  This is just spliced in on the positive line? The amp would see an 8 Ohm load form the dash speakers?  Would this effect the 4 ohm components in terms of volume output or do they remain unchanged?

Thanks for your help

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Posted: April 23, 2009 at 12:03 AM / IP Logged  
You will need a high wattage resistor. Radio Shack sells an 8 Ohm 20 watt resistor for 2.49USD. You can parallel 2 of these to make a 4 ohm 40 watt. You will have to monitor them for heat. You may need to mount them to a heat sink.
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I's there a wiring diagram for this? I'm searching this site for it now. Does the positive from the amp go to one side of both resistors, then off to the positive of each speaker and vice versa for the negative as well?
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Posted: April 23, 2009 at 3:41 PM / IP Logged  
Just wanted to thank everyone for there help. I found four 10 ohm 25 watt resistors that are built right into heat sinks. I paralleled them for a little over 5 ohm's, popped them into the positive line and tried it out. It's exactly what I'm after. I now have a soft fill on the dash speakers that smooth everything out. There's no need for a cap as my amp is on 100 Hz high pass and the resistors are creating enough of a volume drop that the 4x6's are not trying to pop through the windshield.
Thanks again
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