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uel_coupe_s 
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Posted: February 11, 2010 at 6:34 PM / IP Logged  

I get 0.713 one way, reverse the leads and i get 1.465.

Both are about the same.

I know normally that would mean the diode has failed, but i dont know with zenersamp repair - Page 2 -- posted image.

The reading starts lower, and climbs up to the said values where it settles.

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Posted: February 11, 2010 at 8:11 PM / IP Logged  

They are not shorted.  Did you use a real camera or was it a phone?  If it was a camera, set it to the Macro Focus mode and take a closer picture of the resistors that burnt.  The Macro Focus mode will have a green flower symbol.  This allows your camera to focus much better when taking close up pictures.

Also follow the traces from the burnt resistor to the next components each direction.  What component is next in line?

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yes it was a digital camera used, its just that when the pictures are hosted and put up on this board they are resized and loose all there quality. Can i send them to you via e-mail?

I'll check the adjacent components and report back.

Thank you.

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Posted: February 13, 2010 at 10:13 AM / IP Logged  
I got your pictures. I will review tonight and see what I can come up with.
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Posted: February 16, 2010 at 7:59 AM / IP Logged  

The only burnt resistor I see is the one near the zener diodes.  Have you checked the output transistors to see if any are shorted.  You DO NOT HAVE TO REMOVE THEM to check them.  If you turned the blue and white adjustments in the amp, turn them both fully counterclockwise.  If you have not adjusted them, DO NOT ADJUST them.  What is the number off of the actual transistor that has the burnt resistors are near?

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Posted: February 16, 2010 at 1:46 PM / IP Logged  
i am an idiot wrote:

The only burnt resistor I see is the one near the zener diodes.  Have you checked the output transistors to see if any are shorted.  You DO NOT HAVE TO REMOVE THEM to check them.  If you turned the blue and white adjustments in the amp, turn them both fully counterclockwise.  If you have not adjusted them, DO NOT ADJUST them. 

That burnt resistor isn't actually blown though, its supposed to be a 100 ohm resistor and its reading 97.3 ohms. none of the output transistors read shorted across any 2 of their 3 legs and I havent turned the trim pots.

i am an idiot wrote:

what is the number off of the actual transistor that has the burnt resistors are near?

You mean the output transistors? they are IRF540's

Should all 3 of the op-amps (at the rca plug end)  read the same resistance across thier respective legs? its just the 1 near the gain and bass boost pots is giving different readings compaired to the other 2, which give the same readings. They are all the same part number!

Do you know what the one near the gain pot does? or how to test it?

Thanks for your help, its much appreciated.

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Posted: February 16, 2010 at 3:42 PM / IP Logged  
The op amps will give you different readings.  You are actually reading the circuitry that controls them.  97.3 is well within tolerance.  The only problem you have is the shorted output.  You really need to replace both outputs on that channel.  Are they both 540s or is one a 9540?   The reason you need to replace both is that they went through the same abuse, only one of them failed.  It could have weakened the other one.
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Posted: February 16, 2010 at 4:27 PM / IP Logged  

None of the output transistors read shorted.

When i connect  my 12v source to the amp, after a few seconds, when this clicking sound starts, it drops down to 10v, like its sucking far too much current. Any thoughts on this? 

Cheers.

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Check the outputs again.  It may not read near a dead short.  Black meter lead on the tab of the transistor, red lead on the right leg it should read no lower than .400 with the meter set to the diode test function.  Black lead to tab and red lead to the left leg should read considerably higher than the previous readings.
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i am an idiot wrote:
Check the outputs again.  It may not read near a dead short.  Black meter lead on the tab of the transistor, red lead on the right leg it should read no lower than .400 with the meter set to the diode test function. 

for the 4 transistors i get:

0.555   0.552   0.557   0.553

i am an idiot wrote:
Black lead to tab and red lead to the left leg should read considerably higher than the previous readings.

0.843   0.810   0.843   0.811

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