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fix150d 
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Posted: March 24, 2010 at 9:58 PM / IP Logged  

Hi, Its been awhile since Ive used this forum but you guys were so useful in my previous experiance.

I have a 96 lincoln Mark VIII fan and Im going to install it in My 91 camaro. It has a single fan in it.  The Mark VIII fan from what Ive found will pull 100amps on startup and atleast 33amps constant. It has two speeds. I would like the low speed to work with key on and turn off when the high comes on. As I believe that both low and high cannot be on at same time. The high will come on with the voltage of the origanal fan, it comes on when it hits a certain temp or ac is selected. It will have to due this with a relay that will be high enough to handle the amps. I have an Idea of how I will do it. Its just the exact wiring of it. Im not sure exactly the amp draw of the low speed either. Or the exact amp draw of stock fan. What would be the best way to wire and the cheapest-easiest way.?That will last? What parts would be suggested? Thanks ahead of time for all replies

Fastcam
prvteyez 
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Posted: March 29, 2010 at 11:22 AM / IP Logged  
alright, while a rookie,, I have done this mod myself so I speak from under the shade tree. firstly the fan you are using is one of the most popular fan mods around. many a ford in junk yards are fan less as we speak because it is known as one of the best pulling fans around. brand new these fans will draw around 40 to 50 amps on hi speed start up. with age and use the resistance of the fan builds and start up amperage increases until either the fan goes bad or you melt something, translation: if its drawing 100amps, its time to find a new one. now the high amp draw should only last for a moment as once the fan starts rotating the current draw drops quickly to it's normal draw, some where around 30 or so amps, if it continues to draw extremely high amps(your fuse will blow) it's time to find a new fan. I have charts and actual data bookmarked somewhere if you want it.
now lets get to it, you will need four high amp relays(radio shack, ebay,internet) I just found an 80amp relay on Amazon for $10(60 will do), which is more than you should need. an inline fuse holder and fuse, 50amp slow blow type, I would use a maxi type. four 15amp inline fuses, enough #10 wire for your installation, enough #16 wire for your installation. a temperature sending unit, the probe type is the easiest to install, get one that you can adjust and set it to about 20 degrees over your normal operating temperature (you can find them all over the net, get a decent one)wire ties, squeeze taps, and all the little odds and ends most wrench heads have lying around. I would recommend soldering connections and using ring terminals where appropriate. also make sure to secure your lines, and tape or shrink tube your connections. now on to the install.
Make sure that no wires are left hanging freely where they might get pulled on or come into contact with moving parts, also I like to wire tie wires to the car harness where I can as they usually pick the safest route. make sure your wire are well clear of hot engine parts so that they do not contact and melt causing a dead short.
Firstly, you wanted your fan to come on with your key, I don't recommend this and will not tell you how to do it. believe it or not you can over cool a car. they are designed to operate at a certain temperature and should not be allowed not to. believe me I'm saving you a lot of headaches and a lot of gas. if your having overheating problems, this will not help, your problem is elsewhere. I can also assume it's not a race car as you would only need high speed. so what I'm describing will cause your fan to cycle on low when your car tells it too and Hi when your ac clutch is engaged or your vehicle gets a little to hot(i.e. sitting in heavy traffic, really over revving, or you live in hell!).
disconnect the negative wire on your battery. you will need to find a ignition on power source, this can be found in your fuse box, try the radio fuse, tap off this line with a # 16 wire long enough to reach the location you plan on mounting your bank of relays, run it backwards from the bank to your fuse box, its easier that way, run it through a firewall grommet,secure it with wire ties along the way. fuse it with a 15amp inline fuse within 12 inches of the fuse box. next install and ground your fan to an appropriate ground with #10 wire to a chassis ground. next using a ring terminal of the appropriate size, connect #10 wire to the positive side of your battery, put your 50amp inline fuse within 18 inches of the battery. and run the line to where your relay bank will be located. locate the positive line to your ac clutch. tap into to this line with # 16 wire, I would use a squeeze tap, fuse this line with a 15 amp inline fuse within 6 inches of the tap, run the line back to your relay bank, secure it along the way with wire ties. install you temperature sending unit and run the wire back to your relay bank, follow the manufactures directions, wire tie the wires along the way.connect a #10 wire to the low side of your fan and run it back to your relay bank, connect another #10 wire to the hi side of your fan and run that back to your relay bank, secure the wires with wire ties.find your original fan control wire, try to find the control wire that controls the fan relay, not the high power line from the relay to the fan, to much amperage and just more headaches, tap into this line with a squeeze tap, install a 15amp inline fuse within 6 inches of your tap, run the wire back to your relay bank, wire tie where appropriate.
now this is your install, so where you've located your relay bank is up to you, a nice clean spot on the fender wall will do nicely.
to wire your first relay, connect your #10 positive battery line to the #30 terminal of the relay, connect the fused ignition line to the # 86 terminal of the relay, connect terminal 85 to a chassis ground, connect a length of #10 wire long enough to reach the next relay to terminal #87.
to wire the second relay, connect the #10 wire from relay #1 to #30 terminal of the relay, connect a length of #10 wire long enough to reach teminal #30 on the next relay to terminal #87a, connect a length of # 10 wire long enough to reach terminal #87 of relay #3. now due to the fact I don't know what type of temperature probe your using, this part is on you, read your instructions to figure out your wiring, what you will need is positive on terminal 86 of the relay and negative on terminal 85 of the relay, wire appropriately.
to wire the third relay,connect the #10 wire from relay #2 (terminal #87a) to terminal #30, connect your ac clutch line to terminal #86, connect terminal #85 to chassis ground, connect the #10 wire form relay #2 terminal #87 and the hi fan wire to terminal #87, connect a #10 wire long enough to reach relay #4 to terminal #87a.
to wire your forth relay, connect the #10 wire from relay #3 to terminal #30, connect the original fan wire to to terminal #86, connect terminal #85 to ground, connect the low fan wire to terminal #87.
reconnect the negative battery cable. remember that your fan can kick on any time you have your key turned on.
well that's it, test your new fan system, I assumed you have some knowledge of cars in all of this, check it once, check it twice, I assume no responsibility. If there's anything else you need, or have any questions, please ask, good luck, Scott
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fix150d 
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Posted: March 29, 2010 at 12:22 PM / IP Logged  

Thanks for all the info!

However Im going to use one 75amp power relay. I will only wire it in high mode to come on when the fan that used to be in the car came on.

This relay has only four contacts. How will i wire this in? I know that the original fan came on with the relay grounding it.

How do I figure the Amperage draw of the fan so I know its still good?

Fastcam
prvteyez 
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Posted: March 29, 2010 at 1:59 PM / IP Logged  
Well here's a better one for you, again as long as the fan is in good shape, it shouldn't draw more than 45 or so amps on start up, first I would find out the amperage of the original fan, if it was close, all you would really have to do is wire your original fan line to the high side of the fan and presto, no other wiring required. as far as figuring the amp draw of the fan goes, you'll have to ask someone a little more knowledgeable that I, I'm sure someone here could help with that, personal I put a fuse inline with a fuse rating at the max I'm willing to allow on that line, when it come to simple circuits with no risk of blowing any thing expensive up, if the fuse blows, it drew to many amps. shade tree mechanic style and all. your relay sounds like a single pole single throw, again I'm going to pass this one of to someone else as I don't like to give misinformed advice. let me know how it turns out, Scott
fix150d 
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Posted: March 29, 2010 at 2:12 PM / IP Logged  

From looking around ect. I was told that this fan would draw up to 100amps at start up and around 45amps cont. Thats being new. The fan it self is like 18.5inches. Im not sure of the amperage rating on the factory original. I doubt it could handle this fan as the motor to the fan is about four times the size of the original.

Can someone help me figure out the amperage draw of this fan.

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fix150d 
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Posted: March 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM / IP Logged  

Okay I know how to wire the relay in, but is it better to switch on the fan using the negative side or the positive or does it really matter at all. I dont think it does however the factory one switched on with the negative so Im thinking of switching this on that way.

I still need help on how to figure amperage draw anyone?

Fastcam
prvteyez 
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Posted: March 29, 2010 at 8:18 PM / IP Logged  
here you go, read this:http://www.thehollisterroadcompany.com/TaurusMarkVIIIrelay.html,I'll see if I can find a diagram for you, what brand is your relay?,Scott
fix150d 
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Posted: March 29, 2010 at 9:16 PM / IP Logged  
Thanks for that if its actually true. The relay I have is a tyco formerly bosch. Its a 12volt 75amp continous. It can handle 100Amp spikes. I would connect positive from original fan to 86 and negative to 85.  Then positive or negative depending on which way I deside to go from battery to 30 then positive or negative of fan to 87 depending on whether I use positive or negative to turn on.
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prvteyez 
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Posted: March 29, 2010 at 10:14 PM / IP Logged  
the info is correct, I found the site through a ford mechanic, sounds like you have it under control, i still recommend a fuse inline from your batt to #30, good luck, Scott
fix150d 
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Posted: March 30, 2010 at 7:02 AM / IP Logged  
 Thanks for all your help Scott.
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