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antdat1969 
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Posted: November 01, 2013 at 1:54 AM / IP Logged  
Mind another opinion, the other guy is pretty dead on, but I'd like to offer my 02.
Head unit I agree with,
Now if ur serious on 600, and say u use 2 for the radio. I'd say look for a good amp, there are too many too list and preferences vary. I'd say get a good d class amp and a single 12 in a pre fab enclosure. Say 250 for amp, 125 for sub and box, 25 for amp kit. Go to utube and watch videos on ur car or maybe another model but a year close to it. Most cars from the same maker have similar characteristics in regards to how to pull panels and help ur placement of wiring. Watch videos and ask ?"s on here.
I've installed since 85 and this is the direction I'd tell u to go 1st. You don't have to replace all ur factory speakers unless they are blown. Once u replace the factory stereo if u still have it in there u'll notice the difference and a decent radio has plenty of power to run factory and most low end mids and tweets. Buy a big amp, if u bridge it u'll Notice it'll shut down after a certain amount of time running at high volumes. All amps do this unless u don't gave to crank the gains ( level ) on the amp up above half way.the bigger the amp the longer ur sub will be there playing. If u cruise a lot, or drink beer and listen to ur stereo or extended amounts of time u'll need the extra power to help get rid of the heat from the amp.
As far as ur mids and tweets check best buy online, I replaced my factories all the way around for under 60 and I went Kenwood 5.25 2 way in the front, and JVC 6x9 in the rear. Sound great for me, buy them later down the road, also don't go cheap. If u buy cheap then don't complain when ur not happy or can't use them if u upgrade later. I replaced my whole system including 2 amps, 1 12, all the mids and tweets, head unit, capacitor, distribution blocks and wiring for under 750. The names are average, I don't have to have it like I used to, this is plenty for me.
Also try and think of upgrades later and if what ur buying will fit into it later. I've sold plenty of systems to people who bought one thing, then came in months later and wanted it louder and cleaner. Just my opinion, its ur $ bro.
soundnsecurity 
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Posted: November 01, 2013 at 6:51 AM / IP Logged  
if your amp shuts down after a certain amount of time then that means something is set or installed wrong, either your gains are cranked up to the ceiling or you have too many speakers wired together or your power and ground wire is not big enough or connected badly causing extra strain on the amp. the size of the amp has nothing to do with how long it will play. i will agree with one thing though, it is always good to buy the most power you can afford, that way you have it on tap when you upgrade, but the fact of the matter is that the amount of power you have on the speakers is probably the least important thing in the whole system. most speakers will get plenty loud with even half of their rated power.
laughbot09 
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Posted: November 01, 2013 at 4:14 PM / IP Logged  
so paying attention to the head unit specs suggested i found:
Kenwood Execelon KDC-X597
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_113KDCX597/Kenwood-Excelon-KDC-X597.html#details-tab
*RMS power output of 22watts *RMS power bandwidth of 20-20KHz
these had me confused since I only expected to find one RMS rating
*sub preamp outputs *preamp voltage of 4 volts
I'm not sure if these were necessary since I'm gonna have an amp
It also has the front, rear, sub outputs.... I assume this is what it's referring to when it says 6-channel
*please review my choice, correct and suggest improvements as you see fit for head unit. (I really don't want a screen head-unit)
laughbot09 
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Posted: November 01, 2013 at 4:46 PM / IP Logged  
So i felt brave enough after trying to digest all the information provided by soundsecurity and everyone else, to go out and hunt for rear and front speakers.
I came down to (rear)Kicker 40CS674 speakers
and for my doors (front) Alpine SPS-610C speakers
please say yay/nay for my choice and point out flaws and possible alternatives.
(I based these choices on meeting the suggested requirements and then reading A LOT of customer reviews)
laughbot09 
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Posted: November 01, 2013 at 5:01 PM / IP Logged  
So the head-unit and speaker project i managed thanks to your help (it took a couple hours), but this amp and sub combo is kicking my ass to no end. the sheer amount of info to try to win my favor is just to much.
Soundsecurity unfortunately i can't create my own box, because joining the Army meant losing ALL of my tools and supplies... literally thousands of dollars in tools and supplies. so in this project i have to buy all materials already in their final product (but i can manage install).
Is buying a bass package that offers amp, sub, and enclosure a bad idea? (I feel like its an easy way out)
Kenwood 500-watt Dual 12" Bass Package
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_7003051PSO/Kenwood-500-watt-Dual-12-Bass-Package.html?tp=61893
*I hunted for the subs with 1 ohms rating and found few to none
*also I'm under the impression you want me to buy two amps?
*I'm completely okay with only 1 sub-woofer and space is meant to be filled up... as for battery I predict I will be upgrading, but please don't take that into consideration.
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Posted: November 01, 2013 at 5:47 PM / IP Logged  
ok, thats not a bad radio but it doesnt have a crossover built in which means that you wont be able to filter out any harmful low frequencies out of your speakers. the reason this feature is important is that it helps prevent blowing your speakers the same way your factory speakers probably blew, and it also makes your speakers sound way better at high volume because they wont be struggling to play sounds they were not designed to play.
check out this sony, LINK, it has everything you want and everything i have recommended to some degree. and in my experience, sony radios are far easier to use than kenwoods.
laughbot09 
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Posted: November 01, 2013 at 5:57 PM / IP Logged  
soundsecurity please post the URL, for some reason i can't select your link
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Posted: November 01, 2013 at 6:00 PM / IP Logged  
there is nothing wrong with buying a bass package. its nice because the equipment is already matched for you but the drawback is that they are usually not made of quality equipment which is why they are typically cheaper than buying each item separately and there will be no room to upgrade without buying all new equipment because the amp and sub are pretty much made for each other, not saying you couldnt change the sub or the amp, only that if you did change one or the other then it would not be an upgrade.
you will not find a 1 ohm sub woofer, i said to look for a dual voice coil 2 ohm sub woofer, might be abbreviated as "2 ohm DVC". these sub woofers have two sets of terminals instead of the normal one set that most other speaker has, this allows you to wire the sub woofer a couple of different ways and this changes the total ohm rating of the sub woofer. a DVC 2 ohm sub woofer can be wired to a total ohm rating of either 1 ohm or 4 ohms. it can be a little confusing at first but its really not that bad.
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Posted: November 01, 2013 at 6:01 PM / IP Logged  
sony radio,
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_158BT4100P/Sony-MEX-BT4100P.html?tp=5684#details-tab
laughbot09 
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Posted: November 03, 2013 at 12:36 PM / IP Logged  
Sound Ordnance Bass Bunker
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_777BB1075S/Sound-Ordnance-Bass-Bunker.html?tp=61651
Kicker 40CWR102
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_2064CWR102/Kicker-40CWR102.html?tp=111#overview-tab
alright guys I got this for my bass hunting... the enclosure to sub relationship I don't quite understand.
*what is the difference between parted and sealed enclosures and how does this effect the sub?
*Also the sub specks showed a lot of ranges for RMS and frequency response, so I choose one with a wide range, is it good to have a wide range?
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