avital 4113/4111 7 flashes on led

AWESOME website you have here, very diverse with lots of great information!! I picked up a brand new Avital 4113/4111 series remote start off Craigslist for $35. The only part of the unit I'm installing is the remote start, no door locks, no alarm, etc. Installing into my daily driver beater 2000 Ford Escort ZX2. Got everything hooked up, but will not start the car. When going through the "shutdown diagnostics" routine, I get 7 flashes on the LED on the unit, which the instructions say is for the neutral safety shutdown. I have hooked up the BLACK/ white H3 wire to ground, tried the ckt that comes off the jumper where the clutch safety switch would be if it was a 5 speed (its an automatic)....and even left the BLACK/ white H3 wire disconnected. All with the same result, 4 flashes on the parking lights, no start. Rerun diagnostics, 7 flashes on the units LED. Help!! This has to be simple, but I'm frustrated. Thanks in advance!!

The unit is in manual trans mode change to automatic trans mode should be menu 3 option 1

Hi, thanks for the reply. I'm looking at the install instructions...it only shows 2 menus. For doodies and grins, tried to go into menu three....when holding the valet button, it honks 1 time for menu 1, 2 times for menu 2, but when I continue to hold for menu 3, it blurts out a long honk then nothing happens. How do you put it into menu 3 option 1. Thanks!!

No Menu 3 on the Avital 4113's.  Seven Blinks is Neutral Safety on a 4113.

Check this wire.  It should go to the E-Brake or Chassis Ground ( 4113's are for Auto Trans only ). 

H2/1 BLACK/ WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY SWITCH INPUT

Here is a link to the install guide :   https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/file.asp?ID=1289

Soldering is fun!

Posted here yesterday for an LED flash code 7 for neutral safety shutdown on Avital 4111 remote start. After talking to guy at best buy today, got it into "automatic mode" and operated it twice...shut it off with the brake pedal first time, then with the remote the second time. . All excited, started zip tying everything into place under the dash. Before I started putting the dash trim back in, i tried it one more time.....doodie!! Nothing!! Now getting the LED flash code 6....which instructions say is the brake shutdown input. Checked connection at brake, it's good. Brake lights not in. Actually clipped the wire to the brake switch, still no start and flash code 6. I unplugged the main unit, plugged back in, still nothing. Just about ready to take a hammer to this thing. Only paid $35 for it so it would be no big loss, but now it's turned into a quest!!! I just don't understand why this thing is sooo user UNFRIENDLY! I've installed a half dozen Bulldogs and a bunch of Ford remote starts (I'm a ford tech) and have NEVER had such a problem with a remote start install!! Thanks for any help!!

Not sure what the bestbuy guy did since the 4111 doesn't support a manual mode

Just chiming in to reiterate what the other guys said---The 4111/4113 doesn't support manual transmission, and therefore does not have any menu setting for it. I know you said you disconnected brake, and I know you're looking at the LED for diagnostics (I actually never did that before myself on this unit---good idea!) but here are a couple of troubleshooting basics: ---If the unit tries to start the car, and fails for whatever reason, there could be a whole number of issues. ---If the unit simply won't even try at all, and assuming your constant/ground/antenna/remote are all good, there can be only three possibilities: A: Brake is on. (Test the brown wire. It must NOT have positve.) B: Hood is open. (Test the gray wire. It must NOT have ground.) C: Neutral safety. (Test the BLACK/ white wire. It must have a steady ground on it.) A few other thoughts: ---They did something really, really stupid when they designed that unit. It has two brown wires! Did you hook up the horn output? It's pretty easy to get the two brown wires mixed up during your installation. And on most cars, the horn circuit rests at positive. If the remote starter's brake wire is accidentally connected to the car's horn wire, the remote starter won't work. ---How did you connect the BLACK/ white? Did you run it through the toggle switch? Is the toggle switch on? Those switches are fragile, and they also had a batch of them where the wires would fall right off the back of the switch. ---Did you install a hood pin? If so, temporarily disconnect it. Make sure the gray hood pin wire isn't shorted to ground by accident, like maybe jammed under a dash panel, or chafing through a hole drilled through the firewall.

Chris Luongo wrote: Just chiming in to reiterate what the other guys said---The 4111/4113 doesn't support manual transmission, and therefore does not have any menu setting for it. I know you said you disconnected brake, and I know you're looking at the LED for diagnostics (I actually never did that before myself on this unit---good idea!) but here are a couple of troubleshooting basics: ---If the unit tries to start the car, and fails for whatever reason, there could be a whole number of issues. ---If the unit simply won't even try at all, and assuming your constant/ground/antenna/remote are all good, there can be only three possibilities: A: Brake is on. (Test the brown wire. It must NOT have positve.) B: Hood is open. (Test the gray wire. It must NOT have ground.) C: Neutral safety. (Test the BLACK/ white wire. It must have a steady ground on it.) A few other thoughts: ---They did something really, really stupid when they designed that unit. It has two brown wires! Did you hook up the horn output? It's pretty easy to get the two brown wires mixed up during your installation. And on most cars, the horn circuit rests at positive. If the remote starter's brake wire is accidentally connected to the car's horn wire, the remote starter won't work. ---How did you connect the BLACK/ white? Did you run it through the toggle switch? Is the toggle switch on? Those switches are fragile, and they also had a batch of them where the wires would fall right off the back of the switch. ---Did you install a hood pin? If so, temporarily disconnect it. Make sure the gray hood pin wire isn't shorted to ground by accident, like maybe jammed under a dash panel, or chafing through a hole drilled through the firewall.

Thanks for the information. Regarding the two brown wires, yes, I'm sure I have them hooked up correctly as I get the honks when going into the menus. Additionally, I'm assuming if I had the horn hooked up to the brake, I'd probably get a honk everytime I pushed the brake?? LOL! I did not hook up the hood pin switch (I'm a Ford tech, so I work on my own car), and I coiled up all the excess wires in two, neatly zip tied piles. I also did not hook up the toggle switch. The instructions actually gave no instruction for the toggle switch, but in my experience, I assumed the toggle is more for the alarm portion of the unit (which I'm not utilizing on my $350 beater lol). Regarding the manual vs automatic modes, nothing worked until I went into "menu 3", pushed the valet button and got it working. I'm really frustrated with this unit, the turning of the key, pushing and holding the valet button to change menus and options, letting go of the button, etc etc etc. What a ridiculous thing....and I imagine that 99% of the menu options aren't even needed for the average remote start user. I will recheck stuff tonight, make sure I don't have the hood switch wire rubbing against something (I know I don't because I pulled the unit and it's harnesses back out from under the dash after it stopped working, but the unit is giving me 6 flashes on the LED on the unit, and the park lamps. Thanks again for the reply.

Figured out the problem.....OPERATOR ERROR!! When pushing the remote start fob, I was pushing and holding the remote fob button. Figured out you only need to tap the button then release. I think pushing and holding down the button is some kind of diagnostic mode that tells you how the vehicle was last shut down. To test that theory, I remote started the vehicle, then shut it down with the remote....then pushed and held the remote fob button.....4 flashes on the park lamps. I then remote started a second time but shut it down with the brake pedal this time.....pushed and held the remote fob button....6 flashes on the park lamps.     Being a Ford tech, our remote starters either require you to tap the button twice, or push and hold the button for more than 2 seconds. This obviously isn't a Ford unit. LOL!