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57 Chevrolet, Battery Cut-Off System, Alarm


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restoman1 
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Posted: December 25, 2018 at 4:14 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote restoman1
Ok guys (and gals). Newbie here with an off the wall alarm system that I've modified, and having problems making it work.
Here's the deal. I have a 1957 Chevy and because of the 60 year old wiring that I don't trust, I've installed a Battery Brain Platinum battery cut-off system to completely disable the electrical system. However, I also wanted to add an alarm, and didn't want a keyless type, so I got a vintage ITEC alarm off of ebay. (See the original instructions and wiring diagram that came with the alarm below.)
Since I have the Battery Brain that completely disconnects the battery from the car, I can't use the original instructions, so I modified the wiring diagram a bit to bypass the cars electrical system (see the modified wiring diagram below the original instructions and diagram) and to add a key switch to turn it on and off. Basically, I have a separate horn relay that goes to the existing horns. "Grounding" door, trunk, hood alarm switches, and two "grounding" motion detectors (One under the hood and one inside the trunk). I also have a 12 volt light (rated at .1 amp, 1.2 watts) that I installed in the dash that turns on when the doors, hood or trunk is opened. This is the "voltage sensing" part of the system.
As far as I can tell, I have it wired up correctly, but it doesn't seem to work, so I must be missing something!
The original design sent 12 volts to the alarm through the red wire (shown attached to the cigarette lighter fuse, which is connected directly to the battery, so it always has 12 volts). The black wire is ground, the brown wire goes to the horn relay to activate the horns and the orange wire (shown attached to the "accessories" fuse, which only gets 12 volts when the ignition switch is turned to the "on" or "accessory" position) disables the alarm. If a voltage drop is detected through the red wire (i.e., open one of the doors, trunk, hood or jacking the car), this activates the alarm and makes the horns sound through the brown wire. However, if you open the doors, trunk, hood etc... then get in the car and put the ignition switch to "start" or "accessories", the orange wire now gets 12 volts and turns off the alarm (or keeps it from going off in the first place). If you get in the car and DON'T put the ignition switch to "start" or "accessories", the orange wire doesn't get 12 volts, so the alarm (after 10 seconds) sounds the horns. Am I correct so far?
Now, as you can see I've bypasses the entire car wiring and have the following connections:
The red 12V "power/sense" wire, which was originally connected to the cigarette lighter fuse on the fuse box, is now connected directly to the battery. (And since it's no longer going to the cigarette lighter fuse, I put a 2 amp fuse in-line "just in case".) The black "ground" wire IS connected to the chassis ground, so that hasn't changed. The brown "horn relay" wire is going to a separate horn relay that also has power going to it directly from the battery. When you ground the brown wire, it sends 12 volts from the battery to the horns and they blow. This part has been tested and works correctly. When the alarm "key switch" is in the "ON" position, 12 volts is sent to the dash light but the dash light doesn't "light" unless one of the doors, trunk, hood "pins" etc... is grounded. Should this happen, the circuit is complete and the dash light "lights". This causes the red "voltage sensor" wire to sense a drain on the battery and after 10 seconds, SHOULD sound the alarm, unless I turn the key switch to the "off" position. Once in the "off" position, the orange wire gets 12 volts and turns off the alarm. Here's where I'm getting stuck. With the key switch in the "on" position, and I open the doors, trunk, hood ect... it's NOT sounding the horns!
I've looked at my schematic until I'm blue in the face and can't figure out what I've done wrong. Can anyone out there help? Maybe my dash light isn't enough of a current draw for the alarm to sense??
Thanks
Ed
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Custom_Jim 
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Posted: December 27, 2018 at 10:21 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote Custom_Jim
Being a lover of old cars and systems (old school), I did a google search for the alarm and did you get it from Ebay for a whopping $3.99 ?. If so the picture looks like the circuit board was exposed in the one picture and I wonder, could something have fallen on the bare board, a charge of static electricity screwed something up, or have some parts such as capacitors dried up from age ?
Hind sight is always 20/20 but when I get old and/or used parts I like to bench check them to see if they actually work before installing them so as not to waste excessive time.
Yes it could be the light not drawing enough current and it would be a simple test to addmore lights to increase the current draw and see what happens. Who knows sometimes.
I bought this system years ago and whenever I get around to putting it in, it will get bench tested.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/121766713@N04/albums/72157690547588942
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restoman1 
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Posted: December 27, 2018 at 1:31 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote restoman1
LOL. Yep. that's the one Jim. I actually got it for $3.00 plus shipping! The exposed circuit board is because he took the top off to show the "guts". It's actually in great shape, so I don't think it's the alarm itself.
I didn't have another light to add to the circuit last night, but I DID have a 12 volt air pump, so I tried that and it worked, so I'm fairly certain it's the low draw on the battery from that one small bulb. I'm going to add an under dash courtesy light harness to the car (it was optional in 1957 so it'll look stock). There are two bulbs in this set-up, both #89 which is rated at 7.54 watts (.58 amps) for a total of 15.08 watts, 1.16 amps, but I can also use a #94 bulb, which is rated at 13.3 watts, 1.04 amps for a total of 26.6 watts, 2.08 amps. The 12 volt air pump I used is rated at 10.7 amps, so I'm hoping the two #94 bulbs will be enough. If not, I'm sure I can find another bulb that's rated higher that'll fit in the courtesy light socket.
Ed

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