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burnerofhells 
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Posted: September 12, 2003 at 4:29 PM / IP Logged  

I want to hook up some more sirens to my car alarm and a backup battery.   My car has a factory alarm with a siren already.  I figured i should hook the relay up to the power sorce of the factory siren and use it as a trigger for my other sirens to go on.  How should i hook up a relay for this?  I have a SPDT Relay .

Rox0rz_Carz0rz 
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Posted: September 12, 2003 at 5:33 PM / IP Logged  

just hook the new sirens in parallel. don't worry about a relay

as for backup battery. a nine volt usually works use use some diodes (it might be a good idea to run a couple in parallel instead of just one if ur using multiple sirens.

 How do i use this relay? -- posted image.

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Rox0rz_Carz0rz 
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Posted: September 12, 2003 at 5:43 PM / IP Logged  

sorry, didn't look like the last pic loaded.

here:

  http://roshfe.com/pulsarnx/scripts/xfer/Docs/Teh_Rox0rz_Carz0rz/siren.JPG How do i use this relay? -- posted image.

but if u are worried about current draw (if the factory siren is wired straight into alarm "brain" without relay) you will want to use a relay. a simple automotive relay will work

http://roshfe.com/pulsarnx/scripts/xfer/Docs/Teh_Rox0rz_Carz0rz/siren_with_relay.JPG 

How do i use this relay? -- posted image.

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burnerofhells 
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Posted: September 12, 2003 at 7:54 PM / IP Logged  
The pictures help a lot, thanks.  I think i am going to use the relay as im a little worried about the brain.  How would i wire in the relay and a backup battery?  I dont want the backup battery to be in use unless the main car battery wires get cut.  How could this be done?
Rox0rz_Carz0rz 
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Posted: September 12, 2003 at 8:29 PM / IP Logged  

sorry, I just looked at that diagram again. It wouldn't work.

(I designed and built my own system from the ground up, and it's wired a little different than factory stuff and i'm skipping steps here - sorry)

ok: here yah go! - the only problem with this model is that the relay on the backup battery will be on at all times, even when the alarm is disarmed, car is off, etc.

http://roshfe.com/pulsarnx/scripts/xfer/Docs/Teh_Rox0rz_Carz0rz/it_works.JPG

very confusing diagram, but i don't feel like taking the time to make it good How do i use this relay? -- posted image.

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burnerofhells 
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Posted: September 12, 2003 at 8:35 PM / IP Logged  

I think i get most of it.

Why does it say additional realys at the bottom left?

You say it that one realy will always be using power, just how much?  Wil it be draining my backup batt or my car batt?  It is very minamal to the point that i shouldnt care?

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Posted: September 12, 2003 at 9:24 PM / IP Logged  
Ok, if your going to do it that way then the sirens will always be getting power and SOUNDING from the battery. First, it is worth buying the right parts if you are trying to protect your car. Go buy a back up battery that is specifically designed for this purpose. If you don't want to buy a BUB then buy a back up battery siren. As far as adding sirens most alarms can power two sirens, if you want to add more then wire a relay like this
How do i use this relay? -- posted image.
The wire labeled remote turn on lead would be the alarm's output for the siren, the additional accessories would be the additional sirens. A relay can support upto 30 sirens.
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Rox0rz_Carz0rz 
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Posted: September 12, 2003 at 10:11 PM / IP Logged  

sorry dude, it's supposed to say "additional SIRENS"

and accually that diagram would work. they would NOT be on constantly (it's true ;) )

since the 86 pin is connected to the (+) for the siren, it will only flip when the alarm sends power to that factory siren.  I have seen complete alarms (cheap ones) built into the siren (brain and all) in which case it has constant power going to it at all times, but with a factory alarm system, that (+)12v on the siren is only hot when the siren is wailing.

mmmmm. big long complicated sentence to say one simple thing. I like it :-)

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Rox0rz_Carz0rz 
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Posted: September 12, 2003 at 10:20 PM / IP Logged  

**additional note**

the relay for the backup battery is being used as a NC rrelay (87a and 30) so, as long as there is constant 12 volt power powering that relay, no connection is being made, and the sirens will be silent. 

As soon as that 12v supply is disconnected (i.e. battery removed), that relay will snap shut, completing the circuit, and activating the backup battery.

(The additional diodes are used to protect the 9v from a 12 surge that could destroy the battery since relays need time to flip over once power is reconnected and such)

and like I said, ignore those first two diagrams. I'll be deleting them off the servery anywhoo. they are useless :)

happy wiring!

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burnerofhells 
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Posted: September 13, 2003 at 1:43 AM / IP Logged  
OK, ONE LASt thing.  You are using 9v batts in your diagrams, what would the advantage of that be over running 2 6v batteries in series to make 12v?  The sirens i have are 12v sirens and im not sure how well they would run with only 9v.  Your not talking about using one of thoughs tinny 9v batteries are you? 
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