2 alpine type Rs or 2 kicker L5

I'm building a system with either the JBL 1200.1 or the hifonics brutus. Which pair of 12" subs will be louder with the above amplifiers. I know that the alpines have better SQ than the kickers, but i'm willing to trade off a little SQ for SPL if and only if the kickers will be considerably louder than the Type Rs.

Do you guys recomend any other 12" subs that are comparable or better performance and price wise?

Hey Ottobell22,

        I worked for Visions electronics as an installer in Red Deer and Kamloops (canada) and we dealt exclusivley with the Kicker stuff. Kicker is by far the way to go. The L5's won a Grand Prix award (an award that is based on overall quality all around stuff) in each one of their classes: 8", 10", 12", and 15". They are an extremely effecient sub that will run absolelutly BEAUTIFULLY given the right amount of power. You have to remember with having a square cone, you have a larger cone area....so that 12" actually plays closer to a 15" - and how do we gain DB?...by either increasing the power or the cone area. The entire surround is SEWN on, not glued. Ripping through these subs are extremely tough to do. Kicker (so I was told) is the world record holder for SPL in general. Being such an effecient sub, you can put them in many different box arrangements and they will boom (especially ported). A finaly great feature about them is that they come in two different arrangements - a 2ohm DVC or a 4ohm DVC....design the system that will rock for you man.....But remember, science doesn't lie - and square subs rock the house live.

Livin Loud Baby

shiva's will give you good sq and spl...and they are only 125 a piece..take a look.

http://adireaudio.com/mobile_audio/drivers/shiva.htm

the brahma i hear is insane for a sub...but that amp wouldnt power one..

http://adireaudio.com/mobile_audio/drivers/brahma_series.htm

alpine, or eclipse, what ever you can  get your hands on for the best price.. They are both nearly identical subs, and both slam like a 400 pound mom kicking the sh!t out of a 10 year old.....get my point? haha 

And there both good in the power handleing department.  

The alpine type-r was rated the best performing sub out there in that price range in mobile electronics magazine a year ago.

To forbidden,

       I completley agree that two people have their own opinions about what is in "their mind" the best product on the market. And to tell you the honest truth, I havn't heard the high end eclipse stuff so I can't go and give you much of a debate on it. Sure I could BS my way through it and tell you more facts about kicker but I'm just not that type of guy.

       I also agree that a person should make an informed decision about what they are purchasing - go with what sounds best to you. Let's face it, a person can take radio shack subs, put them in an extremley well built enclosure and they too will pound nice and hard. Where you get your stuff installed is another extremely important decision to make because how your enclosure is done will predict how your subs sound. If you want to throw it in a McDonalds Exciter POS box, then you'll only get half ass sound (although sometimes it works out good.) So take good care in deciding that.

         But as for the subs - again, go with what works for you. Important things to look for when buying are of course:

1)Price 2)Warranty (1 year over the counter with kicker) 3)Effeciency 4)"True" RMS power handing and of course, doing what you're doing right now.....5)Researching the history.

         Don't listen to measly 12volt fourm-ers ....decide for yourself what works best for you. Use your ears and listen to what sounds best in every category that's possible. You want loud - I'll always believe in the L5's, L7's and for those of you who have seen them (and I have had the pleasure to work with them as part of our Red Deer demo car) the Solo X's. (Broke the world record in canada for SPL @ 163.7DB - Super Street 1-2). >>>Just thought I might throw that one in there for final regard.